Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Page 5

Lief Erikson · 03-15-2005, 01:00 AM

This is an empty, tedious post.

Lief Erikson · 03-15-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Also, I strongly doubt that Salazar Slytherin is a half-blood, given his apparent attitude.

Voldemort is a half blood himself, with a Muggle parent, yet he seems to be strong on the pure-blood philosophy. Adolf Hitler was similar. By some of his more extreme laws against people of Jewish heritage, he should have gone to the concentration camp himself!

However, I agree with you that Salazar is an unlikely choice. I think it might be a tad boring having him the half-blood prince . . . that's my reason

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I like the British Children's cover best too. It's very cool

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inked · 03-15-2005, 11:41 AM

Here is a link to JKR's site in regard to blood relations and their unintended similarity to the actual Nazi usage:

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=58

Art imitating life, but so as to prevent recurrence!

**Nurvingiel** · 03-15-2005, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

Voldemort is a half blood himself, with a Muggle parent, yet he seems to be strong on the pure-blood philosophy. Adolf Hitler was similar. By some of his more extreme laws against people of Jewish heritage, he should have gone to the concentration camp himself!

This occured to me later. Heh. I like your reason better anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

However, I agree with you that Salazar is an unlikely choice. I think it might be a tad boring having him the half-blood prince . . . that's my reason

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I like the British Children's cover best too. It's very cool

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JK Rowling. Un-boring.

EDIT: I also think it won't be someone who's long dead. We have many good possibilities from the living characters.

strider8 · 03-29-2005, 01:28 PM

I think that Lupin will die and Harry will feel like there's nothing left to live for.

inked · 04-11-2005, 04:02 PM

Here's another idea for the HBP. What do you think of this idea?

***Fat middle*** · 04-12-2005, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by inked

Here's another idea for the HBP. What do you think of this idea?

huh?

Pytt · 04-12-2005, 08:21 AM

Can't say I see your that idea of yours inked...

**Nurvingiel** · 04-12-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by strider8

I think that Lupin will die and Harry will feel like there's nothing left to live for.

That's just too depressing...

What was your idea Inked?

inked · 04-12-2005, 09:10 AM

Apparently one does have neuronal dislocations at the approach of the 50th anniversary of one's being pushed out into the cold, cruel world!

the link to have been posted was:

http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/hom...f_blood_prince

Take heart, ya'll, it's probably just half-heimer's instead of al-tzheimers's

!

Thraxon · 04-15-2005, 12:56 PM

how about they kill off the entire ****ing cast there books suck and jk rowling coppies so much off lotr eg the dimentors are clearly a take off of the nazguel

Radagast The Brown · 04-15-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thraxon

how about they kill off the entire ****ing cast there books suck and jk rowling coppies so much off lotr eg the dimentors are clearly a take off of the nazguel

Not really, I don't think... and it really doesn't matter. (how hard can it be to think of dark creatures in black hoods that make people fear?

)

There's a whole thread about it, anyway.

(just search)

Small No-name · 04-15-2005, 02:15 PM

I really dislike harry potter

Thraxon · 04-15-2005, 05:04 PM

point taken but uh radigast what is your pic is that a pear with a face on it?

Radagast The Brown · 04-15-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thraxon

point taken but uh radigast what is your pic is that a pear with a face on it?

Actually - a pomelo.

Isn't it the best?

Anyway.. these kind of comversations usually go to private messages, or the 'Teacup Cafe' thread.

Thraxon · 04-16-2005, 02:02 PM

lookes like a pear to me

**Nurvingiel** · 04-22-2005, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thraxon

how about they kill off the entire ****ing cast there books suck and jk rowling coppies so much off lotr eg the dimentors are clearly a take off of the nazguel

Yeah, Tolekeen would feel ripped off if he was still alive!

I'm just joking with ya.

But anyway, it's fair enough to not like the books. But they aren't really all that close to LotR. Let's review:

Common points:
1. Protaganist is fated to destroy Dark Lord
2. There are undead beings in service of said Dark Lord
3. There is magic
4. Protaganist has best friends
5. Protaganist's parents died tragically when he was fairly young
6. Authoritative wizard figure

Differences between common points:
1. The nature of fate, and the nature of our two protagonists. I don't think I need to say much about the differences between a 50-year-old Hobbit of Middle-earth and an 11-year-old wizard boy.
2. The Nazgul were once Men and subverted with Rings of Power, while the Dementors, as far as we can tell, are naturally evil beings and allied to Voldemort because he would let them steal people's souls. The Nazgul, of course, do not steal people's souls.
3. The nature of magic
4. Sam, Merry, and Pippin are very different people than Ron and Hermione.
5. Drogo and Primula Baggins drowned by accident while Voldemort murdered Harry's parents. Despite this, Frodo had a very happy childhood with his kind uncle. Harry had a miserable childhood with his mean aunt and her family.
6. Gandalf and Dumbledore have authority for different reasons. Gandalf led the Fellowship because he was a wise and powerful Maia. It's worth noting he's one of five wizards in all of Middle-earth. Dumbledore has authority because he's a very powerful wizard, and the only one who can defeat Voldemort; he's also the school headmaster. Aragorn and Gandalf were both Sauron's enemy in different ways.

Complete differences between the books:

The plot
The Harry Potter series follows our hero through his years at a wizard boarding school while he narrowly avoids getting killed by the Dark Lord by sheer luck, handy plot devices, the help of loyal friends, or getting bailed out by Dumbledore.
Lord of the Rings follows Frodo Baggins's adventures after he inherits a Ring that turns you invisible that turns out to be the evil Ring of power belonging to Sauron. The only way to destroy him is to destroy the Ring.

The setting
Harry Potter is set in Britain in the 1990s in a school for young witches and wizards.

LotR is set in Middle-earth, an alternate history for Earth. Specific date not specified, but highly debated.

I'm glad you're posting in this forum because you're the first person in here to not like Harry Potter. I'm sure you'll add an interesting perspective.

There certainly are similarities between the two books, but I don't think enough to call Harry Potter a rip-off. I'm interested to hear your reasons why you think so.

EDIT: I see Small No-name is also not a fan. Any particular reason that Thraxon hasn't articulated?

tolkienfan · 04-23-2005, 04:22 PM

I reserved my copy yesterday at Barnes and Nobles! I know it might be a little early, but last time the store ran out and I had to wait for 2 WEEKS to get it.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 04-23-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Thraxon

how about they kill off the entire ****ing cast there books suck and jk rowling coppies so much off lotr eg the dimentors are clearly a take off of the nazguel

There's a thread here with a link wher someone wrote why HP was better than LotR. I think Pytt started the thread and Elemmire found the site. You should check it out.

EDIT: The site is here.

Spock · 04-25-2005, 08:42 PM

IMO, they are two different genres with similarities I don't care to debate. I enjoy each one as a distinct tale and effort and find I enjoy reading much more. After all "compare and contrast" went out in middle school.

03-15-2005, 01:00 AM	#81
Lief Erikson Elf Lord Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Fountain Valley, CA Posts: 6,343	This is an empty, tedious post. __________________ If the world has indeed, as I have said, been built of sorrow, it has been built by the hands of love, because in no other way could the soul of man, for whom the world was made, reach the full stature of its perfection. ~Oscar Wilde, written from prison Oscar Wilde's last words: "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do." Last edited by Lief Erikson : 03-15-2005 at 01:02 AM.

03-15-2005, 11:41 AM	#83
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Here is a link to JKR's site in regard to blood relations and their unintended similarity to the actual Nazi usage: http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/faq_view.cfm?id=58 Art imitating life, but so as to prevent recurrence! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

04-11-2005, 04:02 PM	#86
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Here's another idea for the HBP. What do you think of this idea? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

04-12-2005, 08:21 AM	#88
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	Can't say I see your that idea of yours inked... __________________ Don't Panic!

04-12-2005, 09:10 AM	#90
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Apparently one does have neuronal dislocations at the approach of the 50th anniversary of one's being pushed out into the cold, cruel world! the link to have been posted was: http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/hom...f_blood_prince Take heart, ya'll, it's probably just half-heimer's instead of al-tzheimers's ! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

03-29-2005, 01:28 PM	#85
strider8 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a spaceship, floating in your puny planet's atmosphere, awaiting orders to invade Posts: 292	I think that Lupin will die and Harry will feel like there's nothing left to live for.

04-15-2005, 12:56 PM	#91
Thraxon Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: any where i can find shelter Posts: 37	how about they kill off the entire ****ing cast there books suck and jk rowling coppies so much off lotr eg the dimentors are clearly a take off of the nazguel

04-15-2005, 02:15 PM	#93
Small No-name Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Middle earth Posts: 34	I really dislike harry potter

04-15-2005, 05:04 PM	#94
Thraxon Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: any where i can find shelter Posts: 37	point taken but uh radigast what is your pic is that a pear with a face on it?

04-16-2005, 02:02 PM	#96
Thraxon Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: any where i can find shelter Posts: 37	lookes like a pear to me __________________ "Do not think that the line between the dream world and ours is that thick. travling between the two are easier then you might think." Shade Found written in his jurnel three days after he dissappered.

04-23-2005, 04:22 PM	#98
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	I reserved my copy yesterday at Barnes and Nobles! I know it might be a little early, but last time the store ran out and I had to wait for 2 WEEKS to get it. __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar!

04-25-2005, 08:42 PM	#100
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	IMO, they are two different genres with similarities I don't care to debate. I enjoy each one as a distinct tale and effort and find I enjoy reading much more. After all "compare and contrast" went out in middle school. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."