The Official US President Election Thread

[Sister Golden Hair]

Okay guys, here's the way it is: the election is over. Discuss, be civil. Otherwise, I see no reason to leave the thread open.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

Okay guys, here's the way it is: the election is over. Discuss, be civil. Otherwise, I see no reason to leave the thread open.

Sorry, Just caught that, mein leader.

Cheers.

[bropous]

George W. Bush won by a popular vote margin of over 3,500,000 votes.

The NeoCommies were rejected soundly by the American voter.

The United States had no use for a worn-out traitor who met with North Vietnamese officials in Paris while US troops were still trying to keep Vietnam from being overrun by Communist thugs. Result? Over one million innocents butchered in South Vietnam when the Communists overran the Republic of Vietnam, over four million slaughtered in the Killing Fields of Cambodia.

The United States is a nation at war, and as a result, now Afghanistan is free and the people of Iraq are close to free elections. The War on Terror continues under the steady command of a true MAN.

Many of you are too young to remember the damage that Kerry, Fonda, ad nauseum caused to this nation, and to the cause of Freedom worldwide. Fortunately for this nation, and for the nations seeking to free themselves from the despotic grip of terror, the majority of voting Americans remembered.

This nation is once again safe, and the Freedom of Israel, Taiwan, Afghanistan, and Iraq are guaranteed. The Liberation of Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and North Korea await us all.

Face one additional fact: Over FIFTY MILLION SOULS are Free today because George W. Bush stood up and took the war straight to the sponsors of Terror.

I, for one, and as a speaker for the majority of this nation, am proud to have done my part to elect such a strong and decisive Commander of our military forces, and I look forward to the revamping of Social Security (and its preservation for many of you younger folks), as well as the complete overhaul of our abusive and byzantine tax code.

Rest well, Americans and the Free World. The terrorists and the despots toss and turn in nightmares at the resolve of the Greatest Nation to Ever Grace This Earth.

America, Hope of the Planet, marches forth united and strong. The NeoCommies, Islamofascists and Tyrants tremble at the sight of her armies issuing forth to spread the blanket of Freedom over the nations of the world!

God Bless Geroge W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Condoleezza Rice, Afghan President Armad Karzai, and Iraqi Prime Minister Allawi!

LET FREEDOM REIGN!

[Valandil]

Frankly Fenir... I don't think you have any reason to complain about the posts of others.

Nor do I think it's proper to publicly post PMs which other members send you. The 'P' stands for 'private' you know...

And when I check your posts from, oh the past 24 hours or so... a good number of them suggest that you're shadowing JD and posting sarcastic remarks in response to his posts.

Not trying to pick a fight, are you?

[jerseydevil]

Bopous - have you been lurking around? You aren't on anymore and even when you were - you weren't in GM much. It is great that Bush was re-elected.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by Valandil

Frankly Fenir... I don't think you have any reason to complain about the posts of others.

Nor do I think it's proper to publicly post PMs which other members send you. The 'P' stands for 'private' you know...

And when I check your posts from, oh the past 24 hours or so... a good number of them suggest that you're shadowing JD and posting sarcastic remarks in response to his posts.

Not trying to pick a fight, are you?

[Edited by Azalea]

JD mentioned them first, and all I did is to reply in kind.

[Edited]

[Insidious Rex]

Question to the floor: When did "morals" become simply a euphemism for being against abortion and gay marriage? And more broadly, why do conservatives think they have a monopoly on moral issues (since it apparently won them the election)? Arent moral issues bigger then that? arent there plenty of immoral conservatives and plenty of moral democrats? isnt wanting to save the environment being moral? or feeding the hungry? helping the poor? why have we allowed one political group to rewrite the definition of morality exactly?

[jerseydevil]

Valandil -

He seems to not know his on geography. Waterford is in southern coastal Ireland - nowhere near northern Ireland. I wonder - does anyone really think that Ireland is part of the UK?

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Question to the floor: When did "morals" become simply a euphemism for being against abortion and gay marriage? And more broadly, why do conservatives think they have a monopoly on moral issues (since it apparently won them the election)? Arent moral issues bigger then that? arent there plenty of immoral conservatives and plenty of moral democrats? isnt wanting to save the environment being moral? or feeding the hungry? helping the poor? why have we allowed one political group to rewrite the definition of morality exactly?

Who says that democrats have a monopoly on feeding the hungry, helping the poor or caring about the environment. It seems as if the problem is that the liberals have been trying to dictate and acting as if they were superior. That is one of the reasons why I also supported Bush - and I think that is why a lot of people turned out for Bush - the thought of Michael Moore being a permanent fixture at the white house turned many people off and brought people out to vote AGAINST Kerry and the democrats in general.

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Valandil -

He seems to not know his on geography. Waterford is in southern coastal Ireland - nowhere near northern Ireland. I wonder - does anyone really think that Ireland is part of the UK?

About the same amount of people think that jersey is actually a part of the US.

Oh, I'm sorry. Did that offend you. Well I never, and so on...

[Fenir_LacDanan]

And with that, I am going to sleep.

Carry on Yanks. carry on. Eventually you'll even convince your selves...

[Valandil]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

Question to the floor: When did "morals" become simply a euphemism for being against abortion and gay marriage? And more broadly, why do conservatives think they have a monopoly on moral issues (since it apparently won them the election)? Arent moral issues bigger then that? arent there plenty of immoral conservatives and plenty of moral democrats? isnt wanting to save the environment being moral? or feeding the hungry? helping the poor? why have we allowed one political group to rewrite the definition of morality exactly?

Yes - those other things you mention certainly ARE part of morality.

Some of us just consider certain thing to be the places where we, as a nation, are really missing the mark on morality... like abortion, for instance.

150 years ago, many conservative Christians were also focused on a single moral issue... they were called 'Abolitionists' - and were widely derided for it.

So... we just take the issues as they come. And no, I don't think anyone is claiming a monopoly... but some feel it their duty to make an issue of a particular thing they see as wrong.

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by jerseydevil

Who says that democrats have a monopoly on feeding the hungry, helping the poor or caring about the environment.

the republicans. arent they the ones who always complain about those bleeding heart liberals who tax you into the ground and give your money to welfare scum?

Im the one attempting to say no one should really have a monopoly on doing the right thing. thats my whole point.

Originally Posted by Valandil

150 years ago, many conservative Christians were also focused on a single moral issue... they were called 'Abolitionists' - and were widely derided for it.

and should be hailed as heroes for it today. Although john brown was nuts. But I love it when people go AGAINST the majority opinion to defend a clear injustice. I would love to see the Christians do that with certain issues today. I think Christians can be wonderful people. Champion of many things noble and right. Even in the face of open hostility and bigotry against their purpose. But I do think they take wrong sides as well on some things because of the rules of their religion. And that troubles me.

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Insidious Rex

the republicans. arent they the ones who always complain about those bleeding heart liberals who tax you into the ground and give your money to welfare scum?

There is a difference between WILLINGLY giving your money to charity and being FORCED through taxes and having the redistribution of wealth. I wouldn't consider it very admirable to only give because you are FORCED to by the government.


That seems to be the big difference between democrats and republicans. I freely give money and time to charities - I just don't want the government TAKING my money from me and doing what they think is the 'right" thing.

[Spock]

I work (ed) hard for my money and don't want the government giving it to those who have made a lifestyle of taking entitlements. Lyndon Johnson really screwed this country good.

[jerseydevil]

Originally Posted by Spock

I work (ed) hard for my money and don't want the government giving it to those who have made a lifestyle of taking entitlements. Lyndon Johnson really screwed this country good.

yes - instead of the country being about getting a good education and working hard for what you have - it's becoming a sin to have money, people want the free ride and expect thngs to be handed to them, everyone has their hand out. Instead of people earning their money - they think they can get it through frivolous lawsuits or from the government. Some people need help - many people are just lazy though and don't want to work.

[azalea]

I'm sorry to say I'm making the decision to close this thread. The election is over, and despite the attempt of some to remain on topic, too many people are continuing to engage in off topic posting and flame baiting. Those seeking polite political discourse may move to another appropriate thread or may start a new thread if one does not already exist. I will remind everyone AGAIN not to make posts of a personal nature and to remain on topic in all threads. Thank you.