RotK review from theonering.net... - Page 4

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-07-2003, 04:28 PM

Will you guys just stop rehashing this repetitive argument, and get the hell on topic.

Willow Oran · 12-07-2003, 06:59 PM

As someone who is regularily involved in theatre I feel that Jackson did a really crummy job of adapting Lord of the Rings. The scenery's pretty, and most of the actors are well cast, and the fight scenes are undeniably cool, but the quality stops there. Just because something is being taken off paper and put on a stage or a screen doesn't mean you have to masscre the story. Jackson has made a ton of un-needed changes thus far and if the spoilers are true than he's made a whole lot more. That doesn't mean it'll be a bad movie, but it'll be a bad adaptation and that's really dissapointing to those who were looking forward to seeing Middle Earth as something more than words on paper.

thranduil · 12-07-2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Don't worry - I'm sure the battle scenes will be great as always. Too bad the same effort wasn't put into the characterization, plot and dialog as the amount of detail that has gone into the battle scenes and miniatures.

I actually don't think the battle scenes are that good. At least helms deep. Watch Last Samurai and then Helms Deep. And

gandalf bonking denethor with his staff

is the dumbest thing I wizard could do. p.s. I hate helms deep!

hectorberlioz · 12-07-2003, 07:15 PM

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p.s. I hate helms deep!

welcome to the semi-light side of the force.

Ruinel · 12-07-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
That review is positive. What about this one?

(spoilers are in it, of course)

oh.. my... GOD!!!! It's so much worse than I thought... so much worse.

*shakes head in disgust*

jerseydevil · 12-07-2003, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
I actually don't think the battle scenes are that good. At least helms deep. Watch Last Samurai and then Helms Deep. And

gandalf bonking denethor with his staff

is the dumbest thing I wizard could do. p.s. I hate helms deep!

Well I agree. But out of the movies - they are the only things that jackson really did "right". You mentioned that spoiler - well what about legolas snowboarding down the stairs or tossing gimli and stuff. The battle sequences - for me - are just eye candy. From what I have seen from the spoilers and from the past history of the movies there is little surrounding these action sequences to make the movies actually good.

Ruinel · 12-07-2003, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
I actually don't think the battle scenes are that good. At least helms deep. Watch Last Samurai and then Helms Deep. And

gandalf bonking denethor with his staff

is the dumbest thing I wizard could do. p.s. I hate helms deep!

I agree with your spoiler. Why would a wizard need to resort to physical violence. It match with anything that Gandalf would actually do. It is a huge change in his character and doesn't help the story.

thranduil · 12-07-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
You mentioned that spoiler - well what about legolas snowboarding down the stairs or tossing gimli and stuff. The battle sequences - for me - are just eye candy. From what I have seen from the spoilers and from the past history of the movies there is little surrounding these action sequences to make the movies actually good.

Yep, and you don't see me defending TT do you. I never said those were okay. I hated FOTR and TT the first time I saw them in theaters. But I eventually learned to love FOTR. But TT I still watch trying to like it. ROTK will decide whether I love the trilogy or not. As for the snowboarding and tossing, they are not nearly as bad as an istari whacking the steward in his own kingdom. maybe gandalf really is a "dottering old fool" but I will wait before I pass judgement.

jerseydevil · 12-07-2003, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
Yep, and you don't see me defending TT do you. I never said those were okay. I hated FOTR and TT the first time I saw them in theaters. But I eventually learned to love FOTR. But TT I still watch trying to like it. ROTK will decide whether I love the trilogy or not. As for the snowboarding and tossing, they are not nearly as bad as an istari whacking the steward in his own kingdom. maybe gandalf really is a "dottering old fool" but I will wait before I pass judgement.

Well then I will publicly apologize for accusing you of being BB in hiding.

I'm sure by the end of RotK more people will be thinking Gandalf is a "dottering old fool" - especially if what you have said is true. It sounds like a little old lady hitting someone with her pocketbook or an old man hitting someone with his cane.

"Give me that Palantir you young whipper snapper" as Gandalf goes after Denethor with his staff.

Captain Stern · 12-07-2003, 08:25 PM

Ummm... am I the only one who noticed this:

"The way the Ring is taken from Frodo and destroyed is not the way Tolkien said it was. Jackson "improved" the final Ring scene."

Now 'that' really is an outrage.

jerseydevil · 12-07-2003, 08:44 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Stern
Ummm... am I the only one who noticed this:

"The way the Ring is taken from Frodo and destroyed is not the way Tolkien said it was. Jackson "improved" the final Ring scene."

Now 'that' really is an outrage.

Yeah - I noticed it. I just thought the statement was too ridiculous for comment. On second look though - it shold be picked apart right down to the bones and used as a way of declaring that jackson is - well you know.

hectorberlioz · 12-07-2003, 10:22 PM

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Yeah - I noticed it. I just thought the statement was too ridiculous for comment. On second look though - it shold be picked apart right down to the bones and used as a way of declaring that jackson is - well you know.

right

.....

Ruinel · 12-07-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Stern
Ummm... am I the only one who noticed this:

"The way the Ring is taken from Frodo and destroyed is not the way Tolkien said it was. Jackson "improved" the final Ring scene."

Now 'that' really is an outrage.

blasphemy

Dúnedain · 12-08-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by hectorberlioz

the worst things that im the most outraged about.

denethors evilness and gandalf's beating him.
sam going away for strealing lembas.
the arwen dying theme.

these are just to much for me to bear

It's more than that:

Gollum convinces Frodo that Sam is trying to steal the ring for himself...

jerseydevil · 12-08-2003, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
It's more than that:

Gollum convinces Frodo that Sam is trying to steal the ring for himself...

It still wouldn't happen. The reason for

Frodo sending Sam away

has already been posted in another thread. I saw it somewhere and I no longer go out looking for LotR info after FotR let me down so much - so it has to be somewhere on entmoot.

There is just NO way that would happen. Not if jackson kept true to the characters of the book - but we know he didn't because all you have to do is look at Aragorn and many others.

jellyfishannah · 12-08-2003, 06:44 PM

Wow. It seems like they left out every scene I enjoyed.

All this is making me very depressed. So many good things left out!!!!! How could they not see that replacing all those important scenes (like the houses of healing!

) with.....argh! Who wants to see hours of stupid battles anyway?!

Ok, JD. Where do I sign up?

12-07-2003, 04:28 PM	#61
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Will you guys just stop rehashing this repetitive argument, and get the hell on topic. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

12-07-2003, 06:59 PM	#62
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	As someone who is regularily involved in theatre I feel that Jackson did a really crummy job of adapting Lord of the Rings. The scenery's pretty, and most of the actors are well cast, and the fight scenes are undeniably cool, but the quality stops there. Just because something is being taken off paper and put on a stage or a screen doesn't mean you have to masscre the story. Jackson has made a ton of un-needed changes thus far and if the spoilers are true than he's made a whole lot more. That doesn't mean it'll be a bad movie, but it'll be a bad adaptation and that's really dissapointing to those who were looking forward to seeing Middle Earth as something more than words on paper. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

12-07-2003, 08:25 PM	#70
Captain Stern Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 319	Ummm... am I the only one who noticed this: "The way the Ring is taken from Frodo and destroyed is not the way Tolkien said it was. Jackson "improved" the final Ring scene." Now 'that' really is an outrage. __________________ Then hate overcame Fëanor's fear, and he cursed Melkor and bade him be gone, saying 'Get thee gone from my gate, thou jail-crow of Mandos!' And he shut the doors of his house in the face of the mightiest of all dwellers in Eä.

12-08-2003, 06:44 PM	#76
jellyfishannah Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Library, may it live forever!!! Posts: 269	Wow. It seems like they left out every scene I enjoyed. All this is making me very depressed. So many good things left out!!!!! How could they not see that replacing all those important scenes (like the houses of healing! ) with.....argh! Who wants to see hours of stupid battles anyway?! Ok, JD. Where do I sign up? Last edited by jellyfishannah : 12-08-2003 at 06:47 PM.

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