TÃºrin and Nienor - Page 4

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 10:11 AM

Do elves become old?

Falagar · 01-26-2003, 10:34 AM

They become very old indeed. CÃ*rdan is even said to have a beard!

And here comes a question:
Would FÃ«anor have had a beard if he still lived?

Artanis · 01-26-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Would FÃ«anor have had a beard if he still lived?

Probably not. Wouldn't he be approx. the same age as Celeborn? While Cirdan is said to have been among the Elves who awoke at lake Cuivenen.

Lalaith, I just love your sig!

Falagar · 01-26-2003, 10:44 AM

Yes, it may be that only those who awoke at Cuivenen would have beard now...
But FÃ«anor was one of the first (if not the first!) Elf who was born after Cuivenen...

Anyway, his beard would probably burn down

Artanis · 01-26-2003, 10:48 AM

The disturbing picture of Feanor with a beard keeps popping up in my brain. Oh Falagar, why did you put that idea into my head?

BTW, have my e-mail disappeared into the garbage can again?

Falagar · 01-26-2003, 10:51 AM

No, I just don't check my e-mail very often (about once a day or so). I'll check it right away

(probably not very fun for the rest of the Mooters hearing us chatter...

)

Edit: It was in the Junk again...Saved your new address

Arien the Maia · 01-26-2003, 11:37 AM

Does Tolkien ever hint at where men go when they die? I always assumed that they go to be with Iluvatar.

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 03:02 PM

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Lalaith, I just love your sig!

Thanks. Do you mean my signature, or am I wrong? Do you know where I have it?

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Does Tolkien ever hint at where men go when they die? I always assumed that they go to be with Iluvatar.

Yeah, he kind of describes it but not very extensive. I don't know it exactly but I think they go out of world and then be there till the end of all days.

Artanis · 01-26-2003, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
Thanks. Do you mean my signature, or am I wrong?

Yes, I mean your signature. It makes me laugh because it is such a good wizardly reason for not being on time.

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Originally posted by Lalaith
Do you know where I have it?

Sorry, didn't understand that.

Arien: The spirits of Men are summoned to the halls of Mandos after death, and after some time they are free to leave the world, to what destination no one knows.

Arien the Maia · 01-26-2003, 08:46 PM

Arien: The spirits of Men are summoned to the halls of Mandos after death, and after some time they are free to leave the world, to what destination no one knows. [/B][/QUOTE]

I knew they were summoned to Mandos and then they leave the circles of the world from there...I guess I always concluded that since Iluvatar was beyond the circles of the world (said in the akallabeth) and that men go to a fate beyaond the circles of the world, then to Iluvatar is where they would go.

Artanis · 01-27-2003, 02:54 AM

Sorry, I misinterpreted your question.

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I guess I always concluded that since Iluvatar was beyond the circles of the world (said in the akallabeth) and that men go to a fate beyaond the circles of the world, then to Iluvatar is where they would go.

It is certainly a good assumption. That would truly be a gift to Men.

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 07:46 AM

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Sorry, didn't understand that.

Sorry, that was really bad english. What I meant was: Do you know where this text (my signature) is from? Who said it?
I guess you know it.

Arien the Maia · 01-27-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Sorry, I misinterpreted your question.

It is certainly a good assumption. That would truly be a gift to Men.

Yes... it would!

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-27-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Yes, it may be that only those who awoke at Cuivenen would have beard now...
But FÃ«anor was one of the first (if not the first!) Elf who was born after Cuivenen...

Anyway, his beard would probably burn down

Feanor was only the first Elf to be born after the journey from Cuiveien in the early legendarium.

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 01:35 PM

Late, but still I remeber something about Cirdans beard. He was an exception. Only few elves do have beards. So I don't think that Feanor had a beard.

Falagar · 01-27-2003, 01:56 PM

Ok, to take another example, how about FinwÃ«? Or perhaps, to take a person that is alive, IngwÃ«? Do you think he sits in Aman with a long beard?

Ok, this discussion got a little out of hand...

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 02:09 PM

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Ok, to take another example, how about FinwÃ«? Or perhaps, to take a person that is alive, IngwÃ«? Do you think he sits in Aman with a long beard?

God, no. What a bad picture. I imagine elves always with shaved faces and pale. Just like Legolas has.

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Ok, this discussion got a little out of hand...

The discussion got out of hand long time ago, but I don't mind. To come back to TÃºrin and Nienor.
Did TÃºrin have a beard or not? I don't remember.

Arien the Maia · 01-27-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
God, no. What a bad picture. I imagine elves always with shaved faces and pale. Just like Legolas has.

The discussion got out of hand long time ago, but I don't mind. To come back to TÃºrin and Nienor.
Did TÃºrin have a beard or not? I don't remember.

I always assume that all men usually have beards...I always picture the elves as "refined" and men as "ruggid" (spelling?

)

Artanis · 01-27-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
Sorry, that was really bad english. What I meant was: Do you know where this text (my signature) is from? Who said it?
I guess you know it.

Yes. It is a wizardly saying

Sorry, OT again.

Lalaith · 01-27-2003, 04:46 PM

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I always assume that all men usually have beards...I always picture the elves as "refined" and men as "ruggid" (spelling? )

Yeah, since I read again that Faramir had a beard I always think of him with this full black beard. And then I think of the movie version and then I'm totally confused with this mixture.
But I did not think of TÃºrin having a beard. I can't imaging how kissing a man with a beard is and Nienor kissed him.
Okay, that are two opposite statements. Faramir with beard can kiss Eowyn, but TÃºrin with beard could not kiss Nienor.

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Yes. It is a wizardly saying

I think that the sentence of my signature fits in perfectly in my life and my character. I never come too late. I'm always on time.

01-26-2003, 10:11 AM	#61
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Do elves become old? __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-26-2003, 10:34 AM	#62
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	They become very old indeed. CÃrdan is even said to have a beard! And here comes a question: Would FÃ«anor have had a beard if he still lived? __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated* Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

01-26-2003, 10:44 AM	#64
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Yes, it may be that only those who awoke at Cuivenen would have beard now... But FÃ«anor was one of the first (if not the first!) Elf who was born after Cuivenen... Anyway, his beard would probably burn down __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

01-26-2003, 10:48 AM	#65
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with FÃ«anor's 7 Posts: 4,285	The disturbing picture of Feanor with a beard keeps popping up in my brain. Oh Falagar, why did you put that idea into my head? BTW, have my e-mail disappeared into the garbage can again? __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

01-26-2003, 10:51 AM	#66
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	No, I just don't check my e-mail very often (about once a day or so). I'll check it right away (probably not very fun for the rest of the Mooters hearing us chatter... ) Edit: It was in the Junk again...Saved your new address __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 01-26-2003 at 10:55 AM.

01-26-2003, 11:37 AM	#67
Arien the Maia FÃ«anÃ¡ro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Does Tolkien ever hint at where men go when they die? I always assumed that they go to be with Iluvatar.

01-26-2003, 08:46 PM	#70
Arien the Maia FÃ«anÃ¡ro's Fire Mistress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 1,423	Arien: The spirits of Men are summoned to the halls of Mandos after death, and after some time they are free to leave the world, to what destination no one knows. [/B][/QUOTE] I knew they were summoned to Mandos and then they leave the circles of the world from there...I guess I always concluded that since Iluvatar was beyond the circles of the world (said in the akallabeth) and that men go to a fate beyaond the circles of the world, then to Iluvatar is where they would go.

01-27-2003, 01:35 PM	#75
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Late, but still I remeber something about Cirdans beard. He was an exception. Only few elves do have beards. So I don't think that Feanor had a beard. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-27-2003, 01:56 PM	#76
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Ok, to take another example, how about FinwÃ«? Or perhaps, to take a person that is alive, IngwÃ«? Do you think he sits in Aman with a long beard? Ok, this discussion got a little out of hand... __________________ FÃ«anor - Innocence incarnated Still, AikanÃ¡ro 'till the Last battle.

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