What religeon are you? - Page 4

Elven Archer · 01-02-2003, 11:59 PM

not to be rude either but i noticed some of you have said you are Christians and then say your not religious. doesn't make much sense.

I forgot to say my family was also Cherokee Indian on both sides. it's wierd cause i have Indian on both sides and both sides came on the same ship here from the same country and both sides settled in the same area a looong time ago.

Hasty Ent · 01-03-2003, 12:56 PM

My parents were born in Ukraine and fled after World War II. They eventually settled in the US where I was born, but I feel more Ukrainian than American. I was raised Ukrainian Catholic (Uniate), but now rarely attend services, and then only as a way of staying in touch with my cultural heritage. Since I don't believe in any god, the experience (for me) is about the beauty of the ritual and music. It's really just an aesthetic experience, I guess.

Hanza · 01-03-2003, 02:47 PM

I'm non-religious. None of my family are religious. My mum was christian in her childhood but because of her parents.
I am glad my family didn't force religion on me. I think that would be unfair. I like to make my own decisions.
At the moment i do not want to be.

samwiselvr2008 · 01-04-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Hanza
I'm non-religious. None of my family are religious. My mum was christian in her childhood but because of her parents.
I am glad my family didn't force religion on me. I think that would be unfair. I like to make my own decisions.
At the moment i do not want to be.

Acording to the Christian faith, you may be forced to go to church ect., but is it is imposable for someone to force you to becaume a Chritian, you must personly exsept Christ to be your savoir, and it has to be your own chouse. God knows your heart and if you do not treully believe in him and want him to be your savour, then he will not come in. So, if your mom never made that decision, then just going to church or anything else (like praying, singing praises, things like that) would not make her a Christian.

I agree that no one should force you to go to church (or pray, or whatever for any religion), however, I am glad that my Mom brought me to church since I was old enoph to leave the hospital and home. As soon as I was old enoph to eather sit in my mothers arms, lay in something at her feet, or be without her for the service at least, my mom has brought me to church. I'm very happy about that.

Elven Archer · 01-04-2003, 10:20 PM

that's what i was gonna say earlier Samwiselver2008 but i didn't.

I don't think you should be forced to go to church but i don't think it's forcing if your still growing up. cause it's your parents job to raise you the best they know how.If you're parents are Christians then they'll most likely bring you to church to help lead your life in the right direction. there's a verse that i can't remember that says something like, Raise a child up in the path of the Lord and when he is grown he shall not depart from it. Ugg i can't remember!!anyway it's something like that.

Menelvagor · 01-04-2003, 11:17 PM

I have no religion. Currently, I would like very much to believe that death is eternal and that it is very much like being asleep. If I were to choose, I would have to say Buddist; pratityasamutpa is something I could believe in, but more as a philosophy than a religion.

As to geneology, my name is the German spelling of a Jewish name (even though I don't think anyone in my family has been Jewish for quite a few generations) and I decend mainly from England and Germany.

Ma Uai: Ua Nemti · 01-05-2003, 12:37 AM

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you must personly exsept Christ to be your savoir, and it has to be your own chouse.

"I cannot, by my own thinking or choosing, believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to him, but the Holy Spirit has called me by the Gospel, etc." - Martin Luther

AndÃºril · 01-05-2003, 04:30 AM

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Blackboar:
I believe more in Eru then God.

Okaaaay.

Radagast The Brown · 01-05-2003, 04:08 PM

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originally posted by Anduril
Okaaaay.

Do you, anduril sword of Aragorn, have any doubts about the excistence of Eru?

AndÃºril · 01-05-2003, 04:33 PM

I have no doubts about the existence of Eru as a fictional character.

***HOBBIT*** · 01-05-2003, 10:29 PM

"what i don't get is why otherwise intelligent people take religion so seriously" qoute from douglas adams which i agree with completely........ not verbatim but close enough.

Arathorn · 01-06-2003, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by HOBBIT
"what i don't get is why otherwise intelligent people take religion so seriously" qoute from douglas adams which i agree with completely........ not verbatim but close enough.

One of the reasons is that if one does not take it seriously, one might not get into the mind of fanatics who have a tendency for violence.

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Know thy enemy.

- Sun Tzu

Another reason, I think, is that this is how people are brought up.

Some people I know in my community (and some of Professor Tolkien's contemporaries) might say:
"what i don't get is why otherwise intelligent people take Tolkien so seriously".

I respect other people and their beliefs until either they turn violent or start to sound condescending because it baits those violent types to do just that. But that's just me.

***RÃan*** · 01-06-2003, 01:16 AM

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What religeon are you? What Race are you? where did your family originate?

I'm a Christian, and my background (what I know of it) is English, Irish and Scottish. I'm descended from Robert the Bruce of Scotland, who, BTW, was grossly misrepresented in the movie Braveheart (Scottish historical societies are up in arms about the movie, which got several important and well-known facts about him wrong!)

The Douglas Adams quote makes sense if you believe that there is no absolute truth; that one may pick a religion (or atheism, for that matter, which is also a belief system) according to taste, like clothing in a store to try on for a bit and change according to mood. If, however, you believe that absolute truth DOES exist, which is a position that makes a lot of sense (for example, many tenets in different religions are conflicting; how can they BOTH be correct?) then it makes sense to be "serious" about a religion that you believe contains the truth. I believe that Christianity is the correct statement of how things really are, so I suppose you could say I'm "serious" about it.

However, if you mean "serious" as just grumpy and frowning, I think it's unfortunate that some "religious" people are that way. There's plenty of joy and beauty and fun in Christianity, however, so I, personally, am not walking around totally serious all day or anything like that

and I think it is wrong to do so (in fact, in the Bible, we are told to rejoice and be thankful

and we have plenty of good reasons to do both!)

Eruviel Greenleaf · 01-06-2003, 04:02 AM

Religion: Atheist. And yes, I do on occasion say "oh random fluctations in the time space continuum!" But not very often.

I was raised Reform Jew, though.

As for where my family originates:
On me mum's side: (all Jewish, methinks. Or mostly.) Poland, Russia and Lithuania.
On me dad's side: Irish, German and Norwegian. . .I think. I've always been very interested in my Irish heritage, which, unfortunately, I know nothing about. My dad was raised Catholic, but he never liked having religion stuffed down his throad. . .

I wish I were Scottish. Or more Irish. That probably sounds awfully stupid, neh? Oh well. But I'm rather jealous of my friend who has a clan crest and motto and all. . .

AndÃºril · 01-06-2003, 02:06 PM

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RÃ*an:
*snip*

(or atheism, for that matter, which is also a belief system)

*snip*

Atheism is not a belief system.

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EG:
Religion: Atheist.

Shame on you! You're making us look silly!

BeardofPants · 01-06-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Anduril
Atheism is not a belief system.

Yes it is.

***RÃan*** · 01-06-2003, 02:48 PM

Anduril - What's with the *snip*? Does that mean you're snipping out a bit of my post, or that you think I'm being snippy, or that you're being snippy?

What, you know that there's not a God? If it's not a belief system, what is it, in your opinion?

AndÃºril · 01-06-2003, 03:21 PM

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BoP:
Yes it is.

Nope.

Your turn.

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RÃ*an:
Anduril - What's with the *snip*?

I *snip* text that is not applicable to my reply.

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More:
*snip*

What, you know that there's not a God?

If we are to venture into rational discourse, you would be well advised to pack the straw men back into the barn.

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more:If it's not a belief system, what is it, in your opinion?

It can be two things:

The lack of belief of God or gods, and/or
the belief that God or gods do(es) not exist.

There you go

Eruviel Greenleaf · 01-06-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Anduril
Shame on you! You're making us look silly!

I believe that there is no god, or any other greater power, etc. I know this to be true, just as someone who did believe in god would say they know god exists. We would each tell each other we were wrong. Something like that. . .

AndÃºril · 01-06-2003, 03:46 PM

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EG:
I believe that there is no god, or any other greater power, etc. I know this to be true, just as someone who did believe in god would say they know god exists. We would each tell each other we were wrong. Something like that. . .

Just as long as you don't label atheism a religion, you naughty girl.

01-02-2003, 11:59 PM	#61
Elven Archer Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: America! Posts: 480	not to be rude either but i noticed some of you have said you are Christians and then say your not religious. doesn't make much sense. I forgot to say my family was also Cherokee Indian on both sides. it's wierd cause i have Indian on both sides and both sides came on the same ship here from the same country and both sides settled in the same area a looong time ago. __________________ "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: 'it goes on'." ~robert frost

01-03-2003, 12:56 PM	#62
Hasty Ent Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 516	My parents were born in Ukraine and fled after World War II. They eventually settled in the US where I was born, but I feel more Ukrainian than American. I was raised Ukrainian Catholic (Uniate), but now rarely attend services, and then only as a way of staying in touch with my cultural heritage. Since I don't believe in any god, the experience (for me) is about the beauty of the ritual and music. It's really just an aesthetic experience, I guess. __________________ Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

01-03-2003, 02:47 PM	#63
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	I'm non-religious. None of my family are religious. My mum was christian in her childhood but because of her parents. I am glad my family didn't force religion on me. I think that would be unfair. I like to make my own decisions. At the moment i do not want to be. __________________ :: there's nothing comforting in change:: Why dont sheep shrink in the rain??

01-04-2003, 10:20 PM	#65
Elven Archer Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: America! Posts: 480	that's what i was gonna say earlier Samwiselver2008 but i didn't. I don't think you should be forced to go to church but i don't think it's forcing if your still growing up. cause it's your parents job to raise you the best they know how.If you're parents are Christians then they'll most likely bring you to church to help lead your life in the right direction. there's a verse that i can't remember that says something like, Raise a child up in the path of the Lord and when he is grown he shall not depart from it. Ugg i can't remember!!anyway it's something like that. __________________ "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: 'it goes on'." ~robert frost

01-05-2003, 10:29 PM	#71
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	"what i don't get is why otherwise intelligent people take religion so seriously" qoute from douglas adams which i agree with completely........ not verbatim but close enough. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

01-04-2003, 11:17 PM	#66
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	I have no religion. Currently, I would like very much to believe that death is eternal and that it is very much like being asleep. If I were to choose, I would have to say Buddist; pratityasamutpa is something I could believe in, but more as a philosophy than a religion. As to geneology, my name is the German spelling of a Jewish name (even though I don't think anyone in my family has been Jewish for quite a few generations) and I decend mainly from England and Germany.

01-05-2003, 04:33 PM	#70
AndÃºril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I have no doubts about the existence of Eru as a fictional character.

01-06-2003, 04:02 AM	#74
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Religion: Atheist. And yes, I do on occasion say "oh random fluctations in the time space continuum!" But not very often. I was raised Reform Jew, though. As for where my family originates: On me mum's side: (all Jewish, methinks. Or mostly.) Poland, Russia and Lithuania. On me dad's side: Irish, German and Norwegian. . .I think. I've always been very interested in my Irish heritage, which, unfortunately, I know nothing about. My dad was raised Catholic, but he never liked having religion stuffed down his throad. . . I wish I were Scottish. Or more Irish. That probably sounds awfully stupid, neh? Oh well. But I'm rather jealous of my friend who has a clan crest and motto and all. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

01-06-2003, 02:48 PM	#77
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Anduril - What's with the snip? Does that mean you're snipping out a bit of my post, or that you think I'm being snippy, or that you're being snippy? What, you know that there's not a God? If it's not a belief system, what is it, in your opinion? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!