Strawberries and Valentines - Page 4

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 06:09 PM

Eol was a big part of it.

I blame Turgon too.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-25-2005, 06:11 PM

i blame feanor, if he hadnt sworn that oath, and been so possessive over his stoopid jools, the dum noldor wouldnay even be in beleriand.

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 06:16 PM

Hence you're thoughtful poem.

I blame Morgoth too.

But Turgon didn't handle that situation well at all. His cousin Finrod would have done a much better job.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-25-2005, 06:18 PM

Ingwe would have done the best job, hence his staying in valimar

and here's what ingwe would receive as a valentines gift:
a scion of telperion, with a collar of gold around the girth of the tree,
the collar inscribed "For the Wisest of the Eldar"

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 06:28 PM

Very nice.

But how good a job would he have done with Noldorin subjects? Or would he have just let them go off by themselves?

ItalianLegolas · 01-25-2005, 06:28 PM

are you saying he was insane in the membrane?

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-25-2005, 06:34 PM

mere speculation, but i believe under his supreme reign within the halls of valinor, all elves would be united as one culture, a wonderful hegemony

Elemmírë · 01-25-2005, 07:46 PM

That would be nice. Alas, not everyone is as agreeable as the Vanyar. Hm. Maybe it was a good thing that the pesky Noldor left Valinor...

Without them... your dream could definitely have come to pass.

Finarfin's practically a Vanya as it is...

ItalianLegolas · 01-27-2005, 08:04 PM

Eol was a jerk, but lets not forget Maeglin while we are busy pointing fingers

Last Child of Ungoliant · 01-27-2005, 08:06 PM

now come on! maeglin had god intentions until he saw idril, if it weren't for eol ensnaring aredhel, maeglin wouldn't even be born, if it weren't for feanor's stoopid oath, aredhel, turgon et al wouldn't even be in beleriand

I can link anything back to ol' hothead Feanor

ItalianLegolas · 01-27-2005, 08:13 PM

well, you should join Beren 300 as a Feanoraphobic

Elemmírë · 01-27-2005, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Last Child of Ungoliant

I can link anything back to ol' hothead Feanor

Let's do it. Let's link everything back to him.

I have to imagine Maeglin was pretty much psychologically scarred by what happened in Gondolin. His father tries to kill him, but ends up killing his mother instead. Then the uncle he's heard about from his mother decides to throw his dad off a cliff. Only Idril was against the whole thing. Anyone wonder why he fell in love with her?

As terrible as Maeglin was... I have to say that he had far more of an "excuse" than someone like Fëanor.

And dear Eru, I'm developing sympathies for Maeglin. Someone hit me, please.

Embladyne · 01-27-2005, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elemmire

Let's do it. Let's link everything back to him.

I second that motion

Quote:

And dear Eru, I'm developing sympathies for Maeglin. Someone hit me, please.

I think I can no longer call you my friend.

Elemmírë · 01-27-2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embladyne

I think I can no longer call you my friend.

What? Just because I can sympathise with him doesn't mean I like him. He's still an **shole in my book and shall always be so.

Heck, I can sympathise with Morgoth if I put my mind to it (but never with Curufin!

)

What about that linking everything evil in the world back to Fëanor? Want to start a new thread on it?

Embladyne · 01-27-2005, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elemmire

What about that linking everything evil in the world back to Fëanor? Want to start a new thread on it?

Hey, sure! Go ahead, and I'll be there.

Elemmírë · 01-27-2005, 11:36 PM

Let's go and Blame Fëanor

01-25-2005, 06:09 PM	#61
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Eol was a big part of it. I blame Turgon too. __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

01-25-2005, 06:16 PM	#63
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Hence you're thoughtful poem. I blame Morgoth too. But Turgon didn't handle that situation well at all. His cousin Finrod would have done a much better job. __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

01-25-2005, 06:28 PM	#65
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Very nice. But how good a job would he have done with Noldorin subjects? Or would he have just let them go off by themselves? __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

01-25-2005, 06:28 PM	#66
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	are you saying he was insane in the membrane? __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-25-2005, 07:46 PM	#68
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	That would be nice. Alas, not everyone is as agreeable as the Vanyar. Hm. Maybe it was a good thing that the pesky Noldor left Valinor... Without them... your dream could definitely have come to pass. Finarfin's practically a Vanya as it is... __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman

01-25-2005, 06:11 PM	#62
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	i blame feanor, if he hadnt sworn that oath, and been so possessive over his stoopid jools, the dum noldor wouldnay even be in beleriand.

01-25-2005, 06:18 PM	#64
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	Ingwe would have done the best job, hence his staying in valimar and here's what ingwe would receive as a valentines gift: a scion of telperion, with a collar of gold around the girth of the tree, the collar inscribed "For the Wisest of the Eldar"

01-25-2005, 06:34 PM	#67
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	mere speculation, but i believe under his supreme reign within the halls of valinor, all elves would be united as one culture, a wonderful hegemony

01-27-2005, 08:04 PM	#69
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	Eol was a jerk, but lets not forget Maeglin while we are busy pointing fingers __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-27-2005, 08:06 PM	#70
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	now come on! maeglin had god intentions until he saw idril, if it weren't for eol ensnaring aredhel, maeglin wouldn't even be born, if it weren't for feanor's stoopid oath, aredhel, turgon et al wouldn't even be in beleriand I can link anything back to ol' hothead Feanor

01-27-2005, 08:13 PM	#71
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	well, you should join Beren 300 as a Feanoraphobic __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-27-2005, 11:36 PM	#76
Elemmírë avocatus diaboli Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Himring Posts: 1,582	Let's go and Blame Fëanor __________________ ~ I have heard the languages of apocalypse and now I shall embrace the silence ~ Neil Gaiman