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Old 03-05-2002, 12:20 PM   #61
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To Liviaine about Thranduil

By the way Liviaine, Thranduil is the elf-king in the hobbit in which he dosn't exactly exemplify the best of elven traits but then I can see how the spiders, orcs and even dwarves would get on his nerves.
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Old 01-03-2003, 06:23 PM   #62
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Old 01-03-2003, 06:39 PM   #63
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As my favourite elven ruler, I would have to choose the first son of the first prince of the Ñoldor. Maedhros.
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As an adjective American is:
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Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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Old 01-03-2003, 06:42 PM   #64
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As my favourite elven ruler, I would have to choose the first son of the first prince of the Ñoldor. Maedhros.
But Maedhros wasn't a king.
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Old 01-03-2003, 06:44 PM   #65
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A tie between Fingolfin and Fëanor.
Then Turgon, Finrod and Maedhros (although he never was a king)...
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Old 01-12-2003, 09:48 PM   #66
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Old 01-13-2003, 10:35 AM   #67
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Another vote for Fingolfin here! Come on......hand to hand challenge to Morgoth! No way you can beat that !
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Old 01-13-2003, 02:19 PM   #68
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...For sheer insanity.

Mine's probably finrod, or perhaps feanor.
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Old 01-13-2003, 02:45 PM   #69
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...For sheer insanity.

Mine's probably finrod, or perhaps feanor.
Very strange BoP. From one extream to the other.
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Old 01-13-2003, 04:07 PM   #70
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...For sheer insanity.

Mine's probably finrod, or perhaps feanor.
I could have sworn it said 'for sheep insanity'....
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Old 01-13-2003, 11:27 PM   #71
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Fingolfin. The duel with Melkor is one of my favorite passages from the Sil. And you have to admire his calmness when Feanor confronted him.
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Old 01-13-2003, 11:52 PM   #72
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But Maedhros wasn't a king.
If you go that way then, Fëanor wasn't a king either. The only king of the Ñoldor were: Finwë, Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon and Gil-Galad.
It's funny because I would wager that the "Kingdom" of Maedhros in Beleriand was more powerful than that of say Thranduil in Mirkwood.
How do you define a king then?
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.”
As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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Old 01-14-2003, 12:13 AM   #73
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If you go that way then, Fëanor wasn't a king either. The only king of the Ñoldor were: Finwë, Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon and Gil-Galad.
It's funny because I would wager that the "Kingdom" of Maedhros in Beleriand was more powerful than that of say Thranduil in Mirkwood.
How do you define a king then?
No, the only "High Kings" in Middle-earth were: Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon, and Gilgalad. In Aman Finwe was king of the Noldor. When he was murdered, Feanor being the eldest son would have been king. This all took place during the revolt and exile of the Noldor. When the Noldor that crossed the ice, which were the bigger following especially after the Kinslaying, came to Middle-earth, Maedhros turned the High Kingship over to Fingolfin. Finrod was in the line of the High Kings, but did not live long enough for that to happen, but, he did create a stronghold by the advice of Ulmo and therefore, he was a king. Because Maedhroes relinquished his rights to the throne, there was no way he was to ever be High King of the Noldor.
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Very strange BoP. From one extream to the other.
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Old 01-14-2003, 01:14 PM   #76
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Unfortunately for Fëanor, he never became a High King of the Ñoldor. It was in Hithlum when Maedhros waived his right for the Kingship that Fingolfin became the High King. Fëanor never actually became the High King of the Ñoldor. Finwë, held the title of Ñoldoran, King of the Ñoldor.
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Finrod was in the line of the High Kings, but did not live long enough for that to happen, but, he did create a stronghold by the advice of Ulmo and therefore, he was a king.
The line of the High Kings were those of the House of Fingolfin. Then it passed to Gil-Galad, which is from the House of Finarfin. Was he a High King because he created a stronghold by the advice of Ulmo? Did they call Fingon a High King when Fingolfin lived? No.
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.”
As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance.
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The line of the High Kings were those of the House of Fingolfin. Then it passed to Gil-Galad, which is from the House of Finarfin. Was he a High King because he created a stronghold by the advice of Ulmo? Did they call Fingon a High King when Fingolfin lived? No.
I didn't say that he was a High King because he created a stronghold. I said he was a king, not High King. No, they didn't call Fingon High King while Fingolfin lived.

I am saying that because Maedhros turned the High Kingship over to Fingolfin, then he was exempt. Once the line of Fingolfin was over, the High Kingship went to the house of Finarfin. Had Finrod out lived Turgon, the High Kingship would have come to him. It was only the order of events that prevented it.
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Unfortunately for Fëanor, he never became a High King of the Ñoldor. It was in Hithlum when Maedhros waived his right for the Kingship that Fingolfin became the High King. Fëanor never actually became the High King of the Ñoldor. Finwë, held the title of Ñoldoran, King of the Ñoldor.
I think he was a High-king of the Ñoldor. He wasn't elected, nor did most of the people follow him, but once his father died he automatically became King of the House of Finwë. Fingolfin claimed this right, but technically Fëanor was High-King, because he never gave his Kingship to Fingolfin, and Fingolfin was never elected instead of Fëanor (even though most of the Ñoldor followed Fingolfin).

And even if Fëanor's son gave away the Kingship, Fëanor had it when he was alive.

(I have little knowledge on how a monarchy works, it may very well prove that I'm wrong)
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And even if Fëanor's son gave away the Kingship, Fëanor had it when he was alive.
Heru Maitimo, waived his right to the Kingship of the Ñoldor not the kingship himself.
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As an adjective American is:
1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture.
2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere.
As a noun American is:
A native or inhabitant of America.
A citizen of the United States.

Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again:
1. The United States.
2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America.

Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?”
The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.”
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Fingolfin is my favourite of the elf kings. One of the best parts in the Silmarillion was when Fingolfin challenged Morgoth in single combat.
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