The Silmarillion films??? - Page 4

Elemmírë · 12-09-2004, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Finnrodde

If they are going to make a movie from the Silmarillian, they can't do the entire thing, as it would be too long and confusing? It would be a fourty hour movie, and aside from Tolkien fanatics who would want to see that? My solution would be to take one section from the Silmarillian and put it to the screen. My pick???

On the Rings of Power and the Third Age

If you're not going to say something serious, don't say anything at all.

Sorry, everyone. His presence is entirely my fault

isn't it, little brother?

I don't think I'd mind seeing a forty hour movie, actually.

I obviously wouldn't try to get through it at one sitting, but... Any other idea is even worse.

Of course, as I've said, I wouldn't want to see any dramatisation of the Silmarillion at all.

This is just speculation, right? Right!?

Lenya · 12-10-2004, 03:41 PM

Don't be so rough on him Elemmire, he is still a hobbit.

ItalianLegolas · 12-11-2004, 03:59 PM

well, since the LoTR movies came out, i've been hoping that they will make Silmarilion movie(s) and the Hobbit, and if they do make them they should bring back Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving to play Elrond and Galadriel

Minielin · 12-19-2004, 02:45 AM

A movie of the Silmarillion is never going to happen- there simply is too much within it.

A series of movies wouldn't happen because it would be catering to such a limited audience- the number of people who have read or are interested in reading the Silmarillion minus the number of people who abhor the idea.

A miniseries I could possibly see happening if the rights became available. IF. Even then, they'd most likely only touch on the major/dramatic segments, as in Tuor's list.

Personally I don't see it happening.

Note- Angelina Jolie???

Elemmírë · 12-19-2004, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ItalianLegolas

well, since the LoTR movies came out, i've been hoping that they will make Silmarilion movie(s) and the Hobbit, and if they do make them they should bring back Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving to play Elrond and Galadriel

Respectively?

j/k

I have nothing against Hugo Weaving, but... he's not my idea of Elrond.

Not to mention... I doubt Elrond's that old during the Silmarillion time frame...

Once again... I ABHOR THE VERY IDEA OF A SILMARILLION MOVIE... and yet, at the same time... are somewhat amused and/or fascinated by it...

Masochistic, ne?

Wayfarer · 12-19-2004, 03:45 AM

It would be impossible to make a good silmarillion movie - after all, the silmarillion [i]book[/]i is just an incomplete mishmash cobbled together from the assorted notes Tolkien left behind at his death. You're not going to get anything really film-worthy out of that.

Minielin · 12-19-2004, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

It would be impossible to make a good silmarillion movie - after all, the silmarillion [i]book[/]i is just an incomplete mishmash cobbled together from the assorted notes Tolkien left behind at his death. You're not going to get anything really film-worthy out of that.

Ditto. There just isn't enough of a branching plot- even the idea of Feanor & Sons vs. Morgoth is so incredibly complicated, involved, and drawn out that although an excellent and absorbing read it wouldn't be filmworthy.

Minielin · 12-19-2004, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Elemmire

Once again... I ABHOR THE VERY IDEA OF A SILMARILLION MOVIE... and yet, at the same time... are somewhat amused and/or fascinated by it...

Masochistic, ne?

Heh. Curious.

Wayfarer · 12-19-2004, 03:52 AM

Right.

And then you've got to consider the changes that Tolkien himself made to the Silmarillion. Which version are you going to film, A, B, C, or D which was just made up on the spot by the director? How does Amras die? What happens to Doriath? And so on and so forth. Making a Silmarillion film would be an incredibly bad move because it would be just asking people like Peter Jackson, who have already shown a willingness to make silly changes, to take the incomplete story and attempt to 'improve' upon it. Bad idea.

Minielin · 12-19-2004, 03:54 AM

And fitting Maeglin (one of my favorite stories in the Silmarillion etc., if not my absolute favorite) in would be extremely difficult- though the story in itself would make a good movie. But no, come to think of it, even then it wouldn't because you'd have to go into the background of the rest of it for the end to make sense.

Note: Haldir lives!

Elemmírë · 12-19-2004, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

And then you've got to consider the changes that Tolkien himself made to the Silmarillion. Which version are you going to film, A, B, C, or D which was just made up on the spot by the director? How does Amras die? What happens to Doriath? And so on and so forth. Making a Silmarillion film would be an incredibly bad move because it would be just asking people like Peter Jackson, who have already shown a willingness to make silly changes, to take the incomplete story and attempt to 'improve' upon it. Bad idea.

I shutter at the thought.

Since it's left so open, everyone has a completely different interpretation of the Silmarillion. The only one who would be happy with an adaptation is the filmmaker (who probably wouldn't know the story well enough to count)...

And the legions of vapid fangirls...

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Originally Posted by Minielin

Note: Haldir lives!

I still don't understand the point of that...

***Earniel*** · 12-19-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Minielin

A movie of the Silmarillion is never going to happen- there simply is too much within it.

A good Silmarillion movie may never happen, but seeing the story-mangling ability of some film makers, a Sil-movie may not so impossible.

All the same I won't be really looking forward to it.

firstagerules · 12-23-2004, 09:15 PM

Okay, from what I understand, Peter jackson has the rights to do The Hobbit at some point in time. Does this extend the The Silmarillion also. He did such a great jobn with LOTR I would like to see him do something with this also. No one big movie, but a bunch of smaller ones each showcasing Turin or Beren or a Noldor Prince. That would be cool!!

Durin1 · 12-24-2004, 06:03 AM

I think the only plausible films that they could make are:

1. Making of the Rings of Power.

2. The War of the Last Alliance

However, this would require too much self-creativity (by the producers and director) with plot and script, since Tolkien only provides few details of what happened. I think that in order for it to be half-decent these things would have to have a Tolkien "flavour".

And PLEASE let us hope that PJ doesn't do it. We know what the results are when he starts putting his own angle on events!!!

***Earniel*** · 12-24-2004, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by firstagerules

Okay, from what I understand, Peter jackson has the rights to do The Hobbit at some point in time. Does this extend the The Silmarillion also. He did such a great jobn with LOTR I would like to see him do something with this also. No one big movie, but a bunch of smaller ones each showcasing Turin or Beren or a Noldor Prince. That would be cool!!

Oh, I'm quite sure that when his big monkey-movie is done, the Hobbit's is next on his to-do list. But I don't think the Silmarillion will be incorperated in that deal. In fact... I hope it's not. But I reckon he'll have a bit enough of Middle-earth anyway to tackle the Silmarillion right after that.

Manveru · 12-24-2004, 05:15 PM

christopher tolkien still owns the rights for the silmarillion and from what i've seen of him i really dont think he'll sell the rights, even if someone put a gun to his head

Pytt · 12-24-2004, 05:53 PM

I hope he don't will. someone would have ruined the whole thing, and that would be tragic.

Minielin · 01-02-2005, 02:07 AM

A film-maker's judgement would definitely have to be called into question if he/she ever seriously considered making The Silm into a movie... it's that simple.

ItalianLegolas · 01-03-2005, 04:05 PM

there should definitly be some Silmarillion films, because they establish the core ideas and mythology behind LoTR, you just can't have one without the other, in my opinion

Lenya · 01-17-2005, 03:53 PM

NO way. And there were never supposed to be a LotR movie eather - not the way they made it.

12-11-2004, 03:59 PM	#63
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	well, since the LoTR movies came out, i've been hoping that they will make Silmarilion movie(s) and the Hobbit, and if they do make them they should bring back Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving to play Elrond and Galadriel __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-19-2004, 02:45 AM	#64
Minielin Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I dwell in possibility. Posts: 247	A movie of the Silmarillion is never going to happen- there simply is too much within it. A series of movies wouldn't happen because it would be catering to such a limited audience- the number of people who have read or are interested in reading the Silmarillion minus the number of people who abhor the idea. A miniseries I could possibly see happening if the rights became available. IF. Even then, they'd most likely only touch on the major/dramatic segments, as in Tuor's list. Personally I don't see it happening. Note- Angelina Jolie??? __________________ "...then how shall I Revive the dying tones of minstrelsy, Which linger yet about lone gothic arches, In dark green ivy, and among wild larches?" Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum.

12-19-2004, 03:45 AM	#66
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	It would be impossible to make a good silmarillion movie - after all, the silmarillion [i]book[/]i is just an incomplete mishmash cobbled together from the assorted notes Tolkien left behind at his death. You're not going to get anything really film-worthy out of that. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-19-2004, 03:52 AM	#69
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Right. And then you've got to consider the changes that Tolkien himself made to the Silmarillion. Which version are you going to film, A, B, C, or D which was just made up on the spot by the director? How does Amras die? What happens to Doriath? And so on and so forth. Making a Silmarillion film would be an incredibly bad move because it would be just asking people like Peter Jackson, who have already shown a willingness to make silly changes, to take the incomplete story and attempt to 'improve' upon it. Bad idea. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

12-19-2004, 03:54 AM	#70
Minielin Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I dwell in possibility. Posts: 247	And fitting Maeglin (one of my favorite stories in the Silmarillion etc., if not my absolute favorite) in would be extremely difficult- though the story in itself would make a good movie. But no, come to think of it, even then it wouldn't because you'd have to go into the background of the rest of it for the end to make sense. Note: Haldir lives! __________________ "...then how shall I Revive the dying tones of minstrelsy, Which linger yet about lone gothic arches, In dark green ivy, and among wild larches?" Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum.

12-10-2004, 03:41 PM	#62
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	Don't be so rough on him Elemmire, he is still a hobbit.

12-23-2004, 09:15 PM	#73
firstagerules Sapling Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Beach VA Posts: 4	Okay, from what I understand, Peter jackson has the rights to do The Hobbit at some point in time. Does this extend the The Silmarillion also. He did such a great jobn with LOTR I would like to see him do something with this also. No one big movie, but a bunch of smaller ones each showcasing Turin or Beren or a Noldor Prince. That would be cool!!

12-24-2004, 06:03 AM	#74
Durin1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 221	I think the only plausible films that they could make are: 1. Making of the Rings of Power. 2. The War of the Last Alliance However, this would require too much self-creativity (by the producers and director) with plot and script, since Tolkien only provides few details of what happened. I think that in order for it to be half-decent these things would have to have a Tolkien "flavour". And PLEASE let us hope that PJ doesn't do it. We know what the results are when he starts putting his own angle on events!!! __________________ Durin the Sleepless!

12-24-2004, 05:15 PM	#76
Manveru Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 256	christopher tolkien still owns the rights for the silmarillion and from what i've seen of him i really dont think he'll sell the rights, even if someone put a gun to his head __________________ Earendel arose where the shadow flows At Ocean's silent brim; Through the mouth of night as a ray of light Where the shores are sheer and dim He launched his bark like a silver spark From the last and lonely sand; Then on sunlit breath of day's fiery death He sailed from Westerland

12-24-2004, 05:53 PM	#77
Pytt The Supreme Lord of The Northern Eagles Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: trondheim, norway Posts: 1,388	I hope he don't will. someone would have ruined the whole thing, and that would be tragic. __________________ Don't Panic!

01-02-2005, 02:07 AM	#78
Minielin Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: I dwell in possibility. Posts: 247	A film-maker's judgement would definitely have to be called into question if he/she ever seriously considered making The Silm into a movie... it's that simple. __________________ "...then how shall I Revive the dying tones of minstrelsy, Which linger yet about lone gothic arches, In dark green ivy, and among wild larches?" Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum.

01-03-2005, 04:05 PM	#79
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	there should definitly be some Silmarillion films, because they establish the core ideas and mythology behind LoTR, you just can't have one without the other, in my opinion __________________ What was lost is now found.

01-17-2005, 03:53 PM	#80
Lenya Elentári Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Africa Posts: 727	NO way. And there were never supposed to be a LotR movie eather - not the way they made it.

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