Tolkien's Languages - Page 4

Ruinel · 04-17-2003, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Quetuvan Quenya yo le. Merin (to learn).

I do not know the verb "learn", or if there even is one. I do very much want to learn Quenya.

Interpretation? maybe: "I shall speak Quenya with you. I wish (to learn." Yes?
'handÃ«' means knowledge and understanding.
'istya' means knowledge
'istyar' is a learned man or scholar.
I think *looking around for Falagar and Wayfarer*perhaps istya is the best stem to use in this case. But I am learning also.

Yando istyan Quenya lambÃ«. OmmÃ« istyauva. QuetellÃ«, mÃ¡lo, ar hlaruvanyel.

Ruinel · 04-17-2003, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Ai! ÃšquentenyÃ« lamba amanya, an nyÃ« alasaila.

[Ã³ma Schwarzenegger]PelnyÃ«, lapsÃ«![/Ã³ma Schwarzenneger]

help me out... I'm not sure what you are saying here.
'Ah/Behold! No word have I tongue (physical tongue, not language) of Aman, for I unwise.
But I think (and I also could be wrong) that it should be...
Ah/Behold! No word possess I within the language of Aman, for I unwise.
Ai! Ãšquet haryuvanyÃ« mi i lambÃ« amanya, an ni alasaila.
or are you saying ...
Ah/Behold! It is impossible to say the language of Aman, for unwise I am.
Ai! ÃºquÃ©tima lambÃ« amanya, an alasailanyÃ«.

'PelnyÃ«, lapsÃ«!' is 'I return, babe.' Ã³ma is 'voice'. hehehehe, cute. I got it.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-17-2003, 11:17 PM

'Twas supposed to be:
Alas! I cannot speak the tongue of Aman, for I am unwise.

I thouht it said "lamba" was "language" in the Eng-Quen one, but in the Quen-Eng, I see it should have been "lambÃ«".

Quote:

help me out... I'm not sure what you are saying here.
'Ah/Behold! No word have I tongue (physical tongue, not language) of Aman, for I unwise.
But I think (and I also could be wrong) that it should be...
Ah/Behold! No word possess I within the language of Aman, for I unwise.
Ai! Ãšquet haryuvanyÃ« mi i lambÃ« amanya, an ni alasaila.
or are you saying ...
Ah/Behold! It is impossible to say the language of Aman, for unwise I am.
Ai! ÃºquÃ©tima lambÃ« amanya, an alasailanyÃ«.

See, told ya.

Quote:

'PelnyÃ«, lapsÃ«!' is 'I return, babe.' Ã³ma is 'voice'. hehehehe, cute. I got it.

Of course, I know that's not the "babe" meant, but when I saw that, I couldn't resist...

Ruinel · 04-17-2003, 11:35 PM

cute.

Avalerya lÃ¡ irellar na alassÃ«, Periswa, an rÃ©llar nar sinta mi Arda. Caruva ta quanta ho alassÃ«. Acca rato nossella lelyalto ana i noirÃ«.

Ruinel · 04-18-2003, 09:42 AM

Anyone wishing to join our conversations in the quenya language but needs help learning. Here is my favorite site with many links.
Ardalambion
I think the Quenya course [see Tongues of Arda, first line of links, "course"] is excellent, helping with tense, possession, plurals, etc. If you are truely interested, you should refer to this when making words from stems. (And I am certainly no expert!)

There is also a Quenya to English list and English to Quenya list farther down the page [scroll down to Other Resources, "Quenya Wordlists"].

It is helpful to keep a thesaurus by your computer. It will help you think of alternative words. I have found that many words are not directly listed but you can find other ways of saying the same thing in Quenya.

Lalaith · 04-18-2003, 09:53 AM

Ready for learning Quenya. Okay, not today, but tomorrow.

Lady of Rohan · 04-18-2003, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lalaith
Ready for learning Quenya. Okay, not today, but tomorrow.

Same here! (and I though french was hard!

)

Ruinel · 04-18-2003, 12:16 PM

Great! We have assimilated two more! Resistance is futile! *snicker* Sorry.
I will return to you on Sunday or Monday and post more. But for now, here is my message to ya'll.

HÃ³tultÃ«a a hirnilmÃ« mi le carir Quenya quettar. Ãšvalto haryammÃ«. Nai tyarnyes, an haryan titta ista an I Quenya quettar cariruva.

NamÃ¡riÃ«!

Lalaith · 04-18-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Great! We have assimilated two more! Resistance is futile! *snicker* Sorry.
I will return to you on Sunday or Monday and post more. But for now, here is my message to ya'll.

HÃ³tultÃ«a a hirnilmÃ« mi le carir Quenya quettar. Ãšvalto haryammÃ«. Nai tyarnyes, an haryan titta ista an I Quenya quettar cariruva.

NamÃ¡riÃ«!

Okay, trying to translate.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-18-2003, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Great! We have assimilated two more! Resistance is futile! *snicker* Sorry.
I will return to you on Sunday or Monday and post more. But for now, here is my message to ya'll.

HÃ³tultÃ«a a hirnilmÃ« mi le carir Quenya quettar. Ãšvalto haryammÃ«. Nai tyarnyes, an haryan titta ista an I Quenya quettar cariruva.

NamÃ¡riÃ«!

I have attempted to translate. This is what I got.
"From fetching we must find in/within you makers of Quenya words. Unluck/bad luck we have. May it be (that) I cause it, for I have little knowledge of the Quenya words."

Lalaith · 04-19-2003, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
I have attempted to translate. This is what I got.
"From fetching we must find in/within you makers of Quenya words. Unluck/bad luck we have. May it be (that) I cause it, for I have little knowledge of the Quenya words."

Hey, that seems to me quite good. And now you were faster than I were. I'm still with half sentences.

Ruinel · 04-19-2003, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
I have attempted to translate. This is what I got.
"From fetching we must find in/within you makers of Quenya words. Unluck/bad luck we have. May it be (that) I cause it, for I have little knowledge of the Quenya words."

Not bad at all! Great!! It is actually more like...
"Come away (from fetch) find friendship/fellowship within those that make the Quenya words. Bad luck/Unluck we have. May it be that (or be it that) I cause it, for I have little knowledge of the Quenya word making."

Tada! Your turn! Try to post a message. I'm having fun with this because I've always wanted to practice Quenya but had no place to do so. You folks are great!

Lalaith · 04-20-2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Not bad at all! Great!! It is actually more like...
"Come away (from fetch) find friendship/fellowship within those that make the Quenya words. Bad luck/Unluck we have. May it be that (or be it that) I cause it, for I have little knowledge of the Quenya word making."

Tada! Your turn! Try to post a message. I'm having fun with this because I've always wanted to practice Quenya but had no place to do so. You folks are great!

wow, I had the last sentence right. But I thought that in the middle sentence you mean Bad luck I have. I thought mme was the ending for I.

Linaewen · 04-20-2003, 06:04 AM

OMG! Thanks so much Ruinel! I was going to ask you about good sites to learn Quenya (now that I now Tengwar). Currently downloading Lessons 1-5.....

Lalaith · 04-20-2003, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linaewen
OMG! Thanks so much Ruinel! I was going to ask you about good sites to learn Quenya (now that I now Tengwar). Currently downloading Lessons 1-5.....

I'll start with it as soon as school starts again. Hihihi.

Off-topic: Lin, I was really tempted to put me as true love of Legolas in my title. Just to be mean to you, but I dropped the idea, because I'm a nice person.

Linaewen · 04-20-2003, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lalaith
I'll start with it as soon as school starts again. Hihihi.

Off-topic: Lin, I was really tempted to put me as true love of Legolas in my title. Just to be mean to you, but I dropped the idea, because I'm a nice person.

You're on holidays as well? Austrians and Australians have uncanny parrallels!

Yes. You undoubtedly are the nicest person I have met. Pretty soon, though, I will have 500 posts so I may change my title to that.

Plus, you know you admire me (not to mention miss me)

Why did you have to go Lalaith! Ahhh. I am so bored.

Wayfarer · 04-20-2003, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Tada! Your turn! Try to post a message. I'm having fun with this because I've always wanted to practice Quenya but had no place to do so. You folks are great!

Ruinel-kali, bÃªthmÃ¢ nimruzidar- Quenya.

Ruinel · 04-21-2003, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Ruinel-kali, bÃªthmÃ¢ nimruzidar- Quenya.

Wayfarer, sina Ãºnar Quenya.

Ãšharyan iswa an sina quettar. SÃ¡malla nÃ¡ Ãºsanya!

Wayfarer · 04-21-2003, 12:31 AM

I said (In Adunic)
"Ruinal-girl, speak-you (with) elf-poise- (in) Quenya."

Seeing as I left my big Quenya wordlist behind for the holiday...

Ruinel · 04-21-2003, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
I said (In Adunic)
"Ruinal-girl, speak-you (with) elf-poise- (in) Quenya."

Seeing as I left my big Quenya wordlist behind for the holiday...

Le nÃ¡r Ãºfaila. Umin quet i NÃºmenÃ³r lambÃ«. Ar umin merÃ« hanya ta. Ãva namuva ni naraca. NÃ¡ Ãºta i Quendi yassÃ« antauva i lambÃ« issÃ« an Atani mÃ* yessÃ«, yassÃ« nÃ³nantÃ«? An man haryantÃ« an antaista an i Quendi ya i Quendi Ãºista?

04-17-2003, 11:35 PM	#64
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	cute. Avalerya lÃ¡ irellar na alassÃ«, Periswa, an rÃ©llar nar sinta mi Arda. Caruva ta quanta ho alassÃ«. Acca rato nossella lelyalto ana i noirÃ«. Last edited by Ruinel : 04-18-2003 at 12:22 AM.

04-18-2003, 09:42 AM	#65
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Anyone wishing to join our conversations in the quenya language but needs help learning. Here is my favorite site with many links. Ardalambion I think the Quenya course [see Tongues of Arda, first line of links, "course"] is excellent, helping with tense, possession, plurals, etc. If you are truely interested, you should refer to this when making words from stems. (And I am certainly no expert!) There is also a Quenya to English list and English to Quenya list farther down the page [scroll down to Other Resources, "Quenya Wordlists"]. It is helpful to keep a thesaurus by your computer. It will help you think of alternative words. I have found that many words are not directly listed but you can find other ways of saying the same thing in Quenya. Last edited by Ruinel : 04-18-2003 at 09:49 AM.

04-18-2003, 09:53 AM	#66
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Ready for learning Quenya. Okay, not today, but tomorrow. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

04-21-2003, 12:31 AM	#79
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I said (In Adunic) "Ruinal-girl, speak-you (with) elf-poise- (in) Quenya." Seeing as I left my big Quenya wordlist behind for the holiday... __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

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04-18-2003, 12:16 PM	#68
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Great! We have assimilated two more! Resistance is futile! snicker Sorry. I will return to you on Sunday or Monday and post more. But for now, here is my message to ya'll. HÃ³tultÃ«a a hirnilmÃ« mi le carir Quenya quettar. Ãšvalto haryammÃ«. Nai tyarnyes, an haryan titta ista an I Quenya quettar cariruva. NamÃ¡riÃ«!

04-20-2003, 06:04 AM	#74
Linaewen Fair Dinkum Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,319	OMG! Thanks so much Ruinel! I was going to ask you about good sites to learn Quenya (now that I now Tengwar). Currently downloading Lessons 1-5.....