Capturing Tolkien's Vision vs. A Literal Interpretation

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Ruinel
*puts face in hands and weeps* I hate him... I hate him so much.

Many many people hate Jackson. I hated him from the moments of the first scene of Fellowship - and it went downhill quickly as scene after scene was changed into action. Merry and Pippin turned into clows, Aragorn a wimp, Gandalf a dottering old fool. Sorry I hated the movies - and I hate Jackson for butchering a book that I feel can actually be made into a GREAT movie without resorting to cheap hollywood tricks and dumbing it down.

[Melko Belcha]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
and I hate Jackson for butchering a book that I feel can actually be made into a GREAT movie without resorting to cheap hollywood tricks and dumbing it down.

Amen

[mithrand1r]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
Many many people hate Jackson. I hated him from the moments of the first scene of Fellowship - and it went downhill quickly as scene after scene was changed into action. Merry and Pippin turned into clows, Aragorn a wimp, Gandalf a dottering old fool. Sorry I hated the movies - and I hate Jackson for butchering a book that I feel can actually be made into a GREAT movie without resorting to cheap hollywood tricks and dumbing it down.

jerseydevil,

Although I do not hate Jackson, I agree with you that JRRT LOTR could have been made into a GREAT movie by staying closer to the book. Others may disagree. So be it. Over all, so far, I still like the movies, but similar to Bakshi's version of LOTR, PJ's version of LOTR could have been so much better.

jerseydevil,

Good to hear from you again.

Sincerely,
Anthony

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by mithrand1r
jerseydevil,

Although I do not hate Jackson, I agree with you that JRRT LOTR could have been made into a GREAT movie by staying closer to the book. Others may disagree. So be it. Over all, so far, I still like the movies, but similar to Bakshi's version of LOTR, PJ's version of LOTR could have been so much better.

jerseydevil,

Good to hear from you again.

Sincerely,
Anthony

Thanks - I've been on entmoot - just more in General Messages. I feel like I've said everything I can about the movies - but I come back every once in a while to restate things and see what people are saying.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

We need you restating occasionally.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
At its heart, Tolkien's books are an action-adventure story. What makes it truly special is that the story was so much more than that. It transcended the traditional 'fairy tale' or adventure story of the time to create something so unique it fathered a whole new genre. If it is not an action-adventure story at heart, what is it? I was referring to Tolkien's books.

It is an adventure story all on its own. But not necessarily an action story. The real heros in the book, are on a quest. There is too much sacrifice of the story for added action in the book. So much so that it changes the story in the movie and ruins it. PJ did not need to cut or change important parts out in order to add more action into the movie that wasn't there before. And he didn't need to change characters to appeal to Hollywood's tried and true movie recipe, either. He has changed so much of the story that I fear the next move, RotK, will be a major disappointment for both the movie fans as well as the many already disappointed book fans. If he ever intended to be true to Tolkien's story, he fell far short of that goal.

What ever happened to our discussion of Weak Frodo. I was all excited about that one.

JD!!! Well... look what the cat dragged in! lol! Glad to see ya here.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Well, BB, maybe you'll be disappointed, and he won't go THAT far from the books. imdb.com has Wi Kuki Kaa listed as playing Ghan-Buri-Ghan.


WHEEEEEE!!! Maybe PJ ISN'T totally bad.

[Black Breathalizer]

Actually, I think this is great news. I would be willing to bet you thought that he will be part of the Extended DVD version, not the theatrical release.

I will be curious to see how PJ handles them.

[IronParrot]

Somebody please PM me as soon as somebody, anybody in this thread comes up with something new... I've already stopped following this thread out of boredom alone.

I think it would be far more organized if we compared the film and the book on a more organized basis. I should set up a website with transcripts of definitive debates regarding every character, theme and chapter, categorized accordingly for easy reference.

[Ruinel]

Always trying to shove out Tolkien's characters, huh?








Where's the beer? You were supposed to stop on the way over and buy more beer. *sigh* DAMMIT!

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Actually, I think this is great news. I would be willing to bet you thought that he will be part of the Extended DVD version, not the theatrical release.

I will be curious to see how PJ handles them.

And why is that? You yourself said that you didn't think that Woses fit into Tolkien's world. If I remember correctly, you said something along the lines that they were an attempt to put the 1950's movies version of Native Americans in.

[Sheeana]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Well, BB, maybe you'll be disappointed, and he won't go THAT far from the books. imdb.com has Wi Kuki Kaa listed as playing Ghan-Buri-Ghan.

Oh god, I feel so blonde. I actually remember reading this on imdb.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

I did a search on google, but couldn't find a single picture of him.

[Black Breathalizer]

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
And why is that? You yourself said that you didn't think that Woses fit into Tolkien's world. If I remember correctly, you said something along the lines that they were an attempt to put the 1950's movies version of Native Americans in.

I will be very curious to see how Jackson handles it. I want to keep an open mind (I know that's a foreign concept around here. ) This may be yet another example of how Jackson improves a part of Tolkien's tale.

[Melko Belcha]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
This may be yet another example of how Jackson improves a part of Tolkien's tale.

That is funny, because so far I have not seen even one thing that I would say that PJ improved Tolkien, even the parts he got 100% correct did not improve Tolkien.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
I will be very curious to see how Jackson handles it. I want to keep an open mind (I know that's a foreign concept around here. ) This may be yet another example of how Jackson improves a part of Tolkien's tale.

Improves? IMPROVES????????!!!!!!!! You have to be joking. I can't believe you could say that. Can you please give examples of where you think jackson IMPROVED on Tolkien???? I have got to hear this.

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
This may be yet another example of how Jackson improves a part of Tolkien's tale.

*draws sword*
AAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
*runs at BB with sword with intentions to slay him*
[edited angry curse symbol rant -- azalea -- let's stay calm please.]

[Earniel]

Sheesh people! He's only saying that because he wants to get you on your horses. And he's doing a fine job at it too. But we all know deep down that BB was sobbing like a baby when he heard Tom Bombadil was cut from the movie.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Eärniel
Sheesh people! He's only saying that because he wants to get you on your horses. And he's doing a fine job at it too. But we all know deep down that BB was sobbing like a baby when he heard Tom Bombadil was cut from the movie.

That may be - but I'll jump on him all the same. I hope that if anything gets screwed up in RotK - which well all know Jackson will do- that it's BB's favorite part of the book.

[Gwaimir Windgem]

Surely you're not implying that he -read- the book?