Poor Hama and Haldir! (Do not read if you haven't seen the new film) - Page 3

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 02-05-2003, 10:51 PM

cuz its holywood..someone midly important has to die

Varda Oiolosseo · 02-07-2003, 09:37 AM

When the Elves came to Helms Deep I was like "what?!" but then I started cheering! i loved them there!
When Haldir died I couldn't believe it! I was so upset!

I've seen TTT about 6 times and each time it's just as sad!

Miranda · 02-07-2003, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by Varda Oiolosseo
When the Elves came to Helms Deep I was like "what?!" but then I started cheering! i loved them there!
When Haldir died I couldn't believe it! I was so upset!
I've seen TTT about 6 times and each time it's just as sad!

I'm seeing TTT for the 7th time on saturday night and I know I'll cry again when Haldir dies! The music is so atmospheric and it gets me everytime. I always have to make sure I take off my mascara before I see either film otherwise I look like a racoon!! Mx

Varda Oiolosseo · 02-07-2003, 12:59 PM

lol! I know what you mean!
It's sooo upsetting though I think it's the music as well what gets you going!

Elvellyn · 02-07-2003, 06:25 PM

The elves should not have been there!!! The Last Alliance was called the Last Alliance because it was the Last Alliance.

Sylvee Estel · 02-08-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Elvellyn
The elves should not have been there!!! The Last Alliance was called the Last Alliance because it was the Last Alliance.

Never thought of that... hmmmm...

Anyway it was extremely sad when Haldir died. He's an elf he's not supposed to die!!!!

Artanis · 02-08-2003, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Sylvee Estel
He's an elf he's not supposed to die!!!!

That's the reason why PJ got him killed, I think. The movie audience need to know that the Elves in fact could die.

Fimbrethil · 02-10-2003, 08:09 PM

Yeah Elves can die we all know that(at least thouse who didn't do now). But I still want to know why Haldir!

Actually at first I was kinda confused becuase I didn't get his name.Then later on it sounded like Aragorn said Celeborn but I knew that wasn't right. It wasn't until I watched it the second time that I relized who it was and I cried!

Lena · 02-10-2003, 08:28 PM

16 blue i cant belive they did that!!!!

why did they have to kill haldir i liked him... i read the books he is not supposed to die how dare pg do that... *runs around really mad*

Black Breathalizer · 02-10-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Elvellyn
The elves should not have been there!!! The Last Alliance was called the Last Alliance because it was the Last Alliance.

Didn't Tolkien's Battle of Five Armies in the Hobbit take place AFTER the Last Alliance?!?!?!?

Calror · 02-12-2003, 04:56 PM

Hama di die in the book!!!!!!

Elvellyn · 02-12-2003, 05:12 PM

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Didn't Tolkien's Battle of Five Armies in the Hobbit take place AFTER the Last Alliance?!?!?!?

Were there men in the battle of five armies? I dont remember.

Welcome Calror!!!! Yes Hama did die in the book.

straight_face · 02-12-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Millane
no way am i anti elf im pro elf all the way Gil-galad and Elladan and Ellrohir are up there with my fav carachters... i just thought he could have been protrayed better. i liked haldir in the book...
i am just talking from Haldir in the fellowship though because the movie isnt out here yet... and he was gay...

Oh... so now you're gonna be homophobic? Don't even get started. Ooh! Haldir's stupid because he's gay! *shudder* People who say that make me sick.

Millane · 02-13-2003, 08:33 AM

ohhh shut your trap wanker

ok then ill rephrase what i was trying to get across... Haldir in my opinion looked rather to feminine for my liking and gave off the appearence of some homosexual people...
i make you sick do i... well good hahahahaha i hope you spew your guts up please let me direct you down to the General Message forum and into the Gay/lesbian/bi thread were i stated my feelings on gays... and its people like you who make me feel sick by being so padantic over something so trivial (ohhh i bet youve never said someone looked gay before) for the sake of causing trouble... ohhh and if its trouble you want, troubles what you'll get because GoNY has made me invincible and violent

Melkor's significant othe · 02-13-2003, 09:48 AM

uh-oh.

Elvedans · 02-13-2003, 01:46 PM

Role up! Role up! Tickets for the Millane V Straightface fight half price!

cassiopeia · 02-13-2003, 09:59 PM

Wow, Millane calm down, I know what happened to your namesake.

To answer someone's question: men were in the Battle of the Five Armies, as well as wolves, orcs, dwarves and elves.

Millane · 02-14-2003, 08:55 AM

ahhh yes poor old millane... ill calm down soon but until then i want royalties for the selling of tickets and bets made... thats right straight_face your going down (until i have calmed down

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Black Breathalizer · 02-28-2003, 05:51 PM

Those of you who complained about Haldir and Hama getting killed in TTT need to realize it was essential to the story that there be at least one "important" death in each of the movies. Jackson understood the key to both boxoffice and critical success was to give his movies the same sense of realism that Tolkien gave the books. So he approached the battles he would film more like "Saving Private Ryan" than "Willow."

In FOTR, we watched Boromir die. If you were a Tolkien newbie when you watched FOTR, you also experienced the same heart-wrenching feeling that all of us book readers experienced at Gandalf's "death" the first time we read the trilogy.

In ROTK, there are some important deaths that we'll see. But TTT was different. There were no central characters from the books that would die in the second film if PJ gave us a strict interpretation of the story. So we watched Hama and Haldir die as a way of bringing home to the audience the fact that in REAL wars, people do die, including some of the "heros."

If PJ had treated TTT any differently, it would have ruined the wonderful sense of realism that he has worked so hard to create, IMHO.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-28-2003, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
If PJ had treated TTT any differently, it would have ruined the wonderful sense of realism that he has worked so hard to create, IMHO.

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02-05-2003, 10:51 PM	#41
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Fimbrethil My microwave speaks to me Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Having conversations with my major household appliances. Posts: 937	Yeah Elves can die we all know that(at least thouse who didn't do now). But I still want to know why Haldir! Actually at first I was kinda confused becuase I didn't get his name.Then later on it sounded like Aragorn said Celeborn but I knew that wasn't right. It wasn't until I watched it the second time that I relized who it was and I cried! __________________ Bah, Bah black sheep have oyu any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full! One for the master, one for the dame, one for the little boy who lives down the lane! Bah, bah black sheep have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir. Three bags full. I'll be gone for a while. But never fear! "I shall return anon!"

02-10-2003, 08:28 PM	#49
Lena Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: england...i wish no im really from seattle Posts: 53	how dare they!!! 16 blue i cant belive they did that!!!! why did they have to kill haldir i liked him... i read the books he is not supposed to die how dare pg do that... runs around really mad __________________ "come hither so that i may brain thee" "viggo doubled over in silent pain as the eyeliner tried to destruct his eyeball" hehe buttons red shiny buttons ............................." oh a shiny"

02-12-2003, 04:56 PM	#51
Calror Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Faroe Islands Posts: 1	Hama did die! Hama di die in the book!!!!!!

02-07-2003, 09:37 AM	#42
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	When the Elves came to Helms Deep I was like "what?!" but then I started cheering! i loved them there! When Haldir died I couldn't believe it! I was so upset! I've seen TTT about 6 times and each time it's just as sad!

02-07-2003, 12:59 PM	#44
Varda Oiolosseo Tea Bag Queen Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 973	lol! I know what you mean! It's sooo upsetting though I think it's the music as well what gets you going!

02-13-2003, 08:33 AM	#54
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	ohhh shut your trap wanker ok then ill rephrase what i was trying to get across... Haldir in my opinion looked rather to feminine for my liking and gave off the appearence of some homosexual people... i make you sick do i... well good hahahahaha i hope you spew your guts up please let me direct you down to the General Message forum and into the Gay/lesbian/bi thread were i stated my feelings on gays... and its people like you who make me feel sick by being so padantic over something so trivial (ohhh i bet youve never said someone looked gay before) for the sake of causing trouble... ohhh and if its trouble you want, troubles what you'll get because GoNY has made me invincible and violent __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

02-13-2003, 09:48 AM	#55
Melkor's significant othe Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: UK, Manchester Posts: 40	uh-oh.

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02-13-2003, 09:59 PM	#57
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Wow, Millane calm down, I know what happened to your namesake. To answer someone's question: men were in the Battle of the Five Armies, as well as wolves, orcs, dwarves and elves. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

02-14-2003, 08:55 AM	#58
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	ahhh yes poor old millane... ill calm down soon but until then i want royalties for the selling of tickets and bets made... thats right straight_face your going down (until i have calmed down ) __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

02-28-2003, 05:51 PM	#59
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	Death in the LOTR movies Those of you who complained about Haldir and Hama getting killed in TTT need to realize it was essential to the story that there be at least one "important" death in each of the movies. Jackson understood the key to both boxoffice and critical success was to give his movies the same sense of realism that Tolkien gave the books. So he approached the battles he would film more like "Saving Private Ryan" than "Willow." In FOTR, we watched Boromir die. If you were a Tolkien newbie when you watched FOTR, you also experienced the same heart-wrenching feeling that all of us book readers experienced at Gandalf's "death" the first time we read the trilogy. In ROTK, there are some important deaths that we'll see. But TTT was different. There were no central characters from the books that would die in the second film if PJ gave us a strict interpretation of the story. So we watched Hama and Haldir die as a way of bringing home to the audience the fact that in REAL wars, people do die, including some of the "heros." If PJ had treated TTT any differently, it would have ruined the wonderful sense of realism that he has worked so hard to create, IMHO.

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