Lurtz - Page 3

Lizra · 11-25-2002, 07:10 PM

I just like em BIG!

I thought Lurtz was sent to "Find the half legs!"

Cirdan · 11-25-2002, 08:00 PM

heh heh... half legs.

JD, isn't the thought of a woman squeezing out an orc disgusting enough? It is odd in the film that they start out full grown and have the powers of speech, and even know what is a halfing.

jerseydevil · 11-25-2002, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cirdan
heh heh... half legs.

JD, isn't the thought of a woman squeezing out an orc disgusting enough? It is odd in the film that they start out full grown and have the powers of speech, and even know what is a halfing.

Yes - I thought that was strange too. Imagine how smart Lurtz would be if he got to live longer than a couple of weeks.

Amandil · 11-25-2002, 08:25 PM

Okay Lizra, I guess I shouldn't have said "tend to have...not very considered opinions." Perhaps I should have said that the people who say they like Lurtz seem not to have considered opinions. It seems to me, at any rate, that their affinity for Lurtz is more befitting an airhead. But even that's too strong-a-language. Please don't take this is as a flame. I'm struggling for tact. Lets just say I'd be pleased to see someone give a reasoned defence of Lurtz's inclusion in the film.

Lizra · 11-25-2002, 10:59 PM

Well, If I had made the film, I wouldn't have made a "Lurtz", but "he's there"!

So, for what it's worth, he was fun for me. The way he stands when Saruman is admiring his slimy, beefy, handiwork, his posture, is almost little boyish. When he admired his "squeezing hand" I really sniggered!

And of course, this new bit where he licks the knife like "Nah nah na nah na", big stupid and with attitude! YEAH!

"LURTZ" That name is so dumb. It makes me think of a car in a haunted house ride at the kiddie carnival. Who coined that name anyway. Someone said it came from a game. We should have a "give Lurtz a better name" contest. Hmmmm

Amandil · 11-26-2002, 04:18 AM

Here's my better name for Lurtz: "Bad Idea."

I don't know if you've given a reasoned defence of Lurtz's inclusion in the film, but you do certainly come accross as "gushing." I can't even tell if you're being entirely facetious. I'm just glad I didn't get in trouble for suggesting an affinity to airheads. It is an out-of-date slam, after all.

Hum de hum!

iowyth · 11-26-2002, 05:58 AM

There were a lot of changes in the movie I disliked, but Lurtz was one thing I liked. He may not have said much, but he didn't seem all that dum to me. He was an incredibly adept fighter... he must have been to hold off Aragorn that long. Aragorn just whipped the other Uruks with one sword thrust. He was ugly in a very intense and slightly sexy way. And he personified the evil and strength of the Uruks very well.

I will never get used to his head getting whipped off though. Makes me jump every time and I've watched the movie about 30 times. No.... I will never be prepared for that.

Amandil · 11-26-2002, 06:51 AM

Maybe only Human Females like Lurtz...

Lizra · 11-26-2002, 08:47 AM

Come to think of it, he was the most attractive (ha! now there's a statment we can all laugh at!

) of the orcs. Planned that way I'm sure. They know what they're doing! Boyish, orcish charm? His "behind" was excellent!

oh geez, this is too funny....

BeardofPants · 11-26-2002, 02:34 PM

Lizra, stop winding Amandil up.

Lizra · 11-26-2002, 04:05 PM

Sorry! The old ways die hard!

Amandil · 11-26-2002, 04:28 PM

lol, are you winding me up?! So that's how it works around here...

Lizra · 11-26-2002, 04:57 PM

She's just kidding Amandil! (I do love to flirt

) Who will be the "Lurtz" of TTT. Grima? Surely there won't be a "new" made up baddie. There's Gollum (not evil bad, pathetic bad), Grishnahk, Ugluk, Grima, and Saruman. Of course, the evil "Eye", the flying Nazgul, and armies of orcs wargs and bad men!

Sounds like too many bad guys this time out! Maybe there will be no "new" characters.

Dunadan · 11-26-2002, 06:44 PM

I'm a human male, and I think Lurtz was groovy. You couldn't get away with a film where the protagonists are supposedly being pursued by the enemy and not actually show the enemy at all. And it foregrounds the stuff about Saruman crossing "orcs with goblin men" (sic). And he gets sliced and diced in a deeply satisfactory manner.

Amandil · 11-27-2002, 08:24 AM

Wow, you mean I got flirted with? Sheesh, I thought that sort of thing stopped once one got married...

Oh, and I guess my "only girls like Lurtz" theory is shot.

Elf.Freak · 11-27-2002, 04:01 PM

i didn't really like Lurtz that much, but he was a nice change from the other orcs

Amandil · 11-27-2002, 05:28 PM

Hmm...I see your point, I think. The other orcs were pretty lame, too. Well, at least when hanging out with Saruman.

11-25-2002, 07:10 PM	#41
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I just like em BIG! I thought Lurtz was sent to "Find the half legs!" __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-25-2002, 08:00 PM	#42
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	heh heh... half legs. JD, isn't the thought of a woman squeezing out an orc disgusting enough? It is odd in the film that they start out full grown and have the powers of speech, and even know what is a halfing. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

11-25-2002, 08:25 PM	#44
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Okay Lizra, I guess I shouldn't have said "tend to have...not very considered opinions." Perhaps I should have said that the people who say they like Lurtz seem not to have considered opinions. It seems to me, at any rate, that their affinity for Lurtz is more befitting an airhead. But even that's too strong-a-language. Please don't take this is as a flame. I'm struggling for tact. Lets just say I'd be pleased to see someone give a reasoned defence of Lurtz's inclusion in the film. __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210) Last edited by Amandil : 11-25-2002 at 08:27 PM.

11-25-2002, 10:59 PM	#45
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Well, If I had made the film, I wouldn't have made a "Lurtz", but "he's there"! So, for what it's worth, he was fun for me. The way he stands when Saruman is admiring his slimy, beefy, handiwork, his posture, is almost little boyish. When he admired his "squeezing hand" I really sniggered! And of course, this new bit where he licks the knife like "Nah nah na nah na", big stupid and with attitude! YEAH! "LURTZ" That name is so dumb. It makes me think of a car in a haunted house ride at the kiddie carnival. Who coined that name anyway. Someone said it came from a game. We should have a "give Lurtz a better name" contest. Hmmmm __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 11-26-2002 at 06:59 PM.

11-26-2002, 04:18 AM	#46
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Here's my better name for Lurtz: "Bad Idea." I don't know if you've given a reasoned defence of Lurtz's inclusion in the film, but you do certainly come accross as "gushing." I can't even tell if you're being entirely facetious. I'm just glad I didn't get in trouble for suggesting an affinity to airheads. It is an out-of-date slam, after all. Hum de hum! __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

11-26-2002, 05:58 AM	#47
iowyth Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 8	There were a lot of changes in the movie I disliked, but Lurtz was one thing I liked. He may not have said much, but he didn't seem all that dum to me. He was an incredibly adept fighter... he must have been to hold off Aragorn that long. Aragorn just whipped the other Uruks with one sword thrust. He was ugly in a very intense and slightly sexy way. And he personified the evil and strength of the Uruks very well. I will never get used to his head getting whipped off though. Makes me jump every time and I've watched the movie about 30 times. No.... I will never be prepared for that.

11-26-2002, 06:51 AM	#48
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Maybe only Human Females like Lurtz... __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

11-26-2002, 08:47 AM	#49
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Come to think of it, he was the most attractive (ha! now there's a statment we can all laugh at! ) of the orcs. Planned that way I'm sure. They know what they're doing! Boyish, orcish charm? His "behind" was excellent! oh geez, this is too funny.... __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-26-2002, 02:34 PM	#50
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Lizra, stop winding Amandil up. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-26-2002, 04:05 PM	#51
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Sorry! The old ways die hard! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-26-2002, 04:28 PM	#52
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	lol, are you winding me up?! So that's how it works around here... __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

11-26-2002, 04:57 PM	#53
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	She's just kidding Amandil! (I do love to flirt ) Who will be the "Lurtz" of TTT. Grima? Surely there won't be a "new" made up baddie. There's Gollum (not evil bad, pathetic bad), Grishnahk, Ugluk, Grima, and Saruman. Of course, the evil "Eye", the flying Nazgul, and armies of orcs wargs and bad men! Sounds like too many bad guys this time out! Maybe there will be no "new" characters. __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

11-26-2002, 06:44 PM	#54
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	I'm a human male, and I think Lurtz was groovy. You couldn't get away with a film where the protagonists are supposedly being pursued by the enemy and not actually show the enemy at all. And it foregrounds the stuff about Saruman crossing "orcs with goblin men" (sic). And he gets sliced and diced in a deeply satisfactory manner.

11-27-2002, 08:24 AM	#55
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Wow, you mean I got flirted with? Sheesh, I thought that sort of thing stopped once one got married... Oh, and I guess my "only girls like Lurtz" theory is shot. __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

11-27-2002, 04:01 PM	#56
Elf.Freak Orli's lil fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sugar World/Orlando Bloom Cloud Posts: 464	i didn't really like Lurtz that much, but he was a nice change from the other orcs __________________ >>--elven arrow--> ~ Give a man a fish and he'll feed for a day, give me a fish and you'll only get it back! ~ I've gotta new avatar! looks kinda like me...anime style! ~ LOST: Orlando Bloom. If found, please send him straight to Elf.Freak

11-27-2002, 05:28 PM	#57
Amandil Guy-who-should-come-here-more-often Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Alberta, in spirit -- Vlaanderen, in body (Canada? Never heard of it!) Posts: 120	Hmm...I see your point, I think. The other orcs were pretty lame, too. Well, at least when hanging out with Saruman. __________________ Amandil Mithadan "Why would you want to tamper with anything Tolkien did?" --Ralph Bashki "Seeking self, I find nothing but myself, but in this I drink the cup of gall I really am. I want everything, and I may have everything, but I have nothing except what I have. What I have I know is not what will fulfill me, and I know this in the bitterness of satisfied desire. Everything I have is still not enough, and in getting everything I have, I have not myself, indeed what I have may have twisted what I am and might be into an image of my own possessions. I will to possess, but I end up possessed by what I possess." -- William Desmond (Ethics and the Between, p. 209-210)

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