faramir - Page 3

Telperion · 08-31-2002, 12:12 PM

I agree with everyone else too. Farimir was a very noble and ggod character. had he been Isildur's heir and not been overshadowed by his brother, he would have made almost as good a king as Aragorn.

Celebrian · 08-31-2002, 12:34 PM

Faramir is very similar to aragorn, but I don't think he would have liked being king of Gondor. He probably would have done a good job, but if you are raised to be a steward, you would probably not want to have to be a king.

Linarryl · 10-19-2002, 09:43 AM

Faramir is noble. He is really disapointed I think that Denethor didn't like him as much as Boromir, but he still likes Boromir.

***IronParrot*** · 10-19-2002, 05:05 PM

On the surface, Faramir is a bit of a wimp... but I would say that this wimpiness - or maybe just a lack of ambition - is why he lives, while his father and brother perish. And it is also why he is in fact the strongest, in terms of resistance to the lust for power.

Lalaith · 01-31-2003, 02:13 PM

Gladly I found I thread about Faramir.
And I have to pick up the topic.
I just love Faramir in the books (in TTT I just love his looks.).
So if you like, let me know your thoughts about this gorgeous man whohe is in the books.

***azalea*** · 01-31-2003, 02:49 PM

I love Faramir, too. He's not the most exciting character in the books, but I've said before he'd be a good match for me IRL. He seems like he'd be a fun and interesting person to be around.

Lalaith · 02-02-2003, 02:00 PM

Noble is really the word for him.

Narsil's Master · 02-03-2003, 07:37 PM

i think faramir is almost the same as aragorn but not as skilled of a fighter. in rotk faramir lost a fight against 1 nazgul but aragorn took 5 himself in fotr

Lalaith · 02-04-2003, 11:01 AM

You cannot compare that. Aragorn was fighting with them (and had little help from the hobbits) while the Nazgul was fighting with Faramir and could fly.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 11:10 AM

I don't think that it actually says in the book that Aragorn actually fought the Nazgul.

Lalaith · 02-04-2003, 11:13 AM

Let me think ... Weathertop ....
couldn't say that either because I'm always mixing up movie and books

Lalaith · 03-01-2003, 01:34 PM

I just discovered that Faramirs grand-son Barahir is mentioned on the first pages of LotR.
That's wasn't in the German version of LotR!!

markedel · 03-01-2003, 02:17 PM

Faramir is a different type of numenorian then Aragorn. If Aragorn is Elendil's heir by blood and deed, Faramir has something more ancient, if arguably less vital, the characteristics of Tar-Meneldur, -a man who could command, but was more concerned with thinking then doing.

olsonm · 03-01-2003, 09:43 PM

Faramir was quite wise, but the book makes note that he is held in high esteem as a warrior and leader by his people. He simply could put war and power in their proper perspective whereas his father and brother failed to do so: to their ruin. (Boromir had a better excuse for this than Denthor)

Lalaith · 03-02-2003, 06:00 AM

One thing about Faramir that I appreciated very much was that he didn't like war just to fight against each other.

Elvengirl · 03-02-2003, 09:53 AM

I agree with all of you.

I am reminded of the line Elrond says 'Men are weak' (I don't know that he actually says that in the book)

I always thought that, when it came to the power of the ring, Isildur and Boromir were weak. Faramir, though, represents the strength that are in men, as in Aragorn.

markedel · 03-02-2003, 10:58 AM

I don't know the movie gives Isildur a bad rap. He did repent of his decision to take the ring-he just died before he could do anything about it. Elrond is much more negative in the movie then in the book. He actually compares Frodo to the greatest of the Edain after his choice, and he is half-man himself. And of course, Aragorn doesn't have the self-doubt we see in the movie-all the self-doubt had been dealt with at this point.

Lalaith · 03-02-2003, 12:24 PM

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I don't know the movie gives Isildur a bad rap. He did repent of his decision to take the ring-he just died before he could do anything about it.

That's not my opinion. Isildur had his chance to destroy the ring and with it most evil in middle-earth but he prefered to use the ring for his own purposes (or for those of his people).

Sicirus · 03-03-2003, 06:59 AM

Yeh to tell you the truth in the book Isildur was led by Elrind to Mt Doom to destroy thr ring knowing its evil. I mean He did know it was the root to Sauron's power thats why he cut it. But he kept it and instead of his (good intentions ) he caused a whole new war.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-03-2003, 09:47 AM

Isildur seemed to me more heroic in the movie than the book. At least in the movies, he struck the final blow on Sauron. In the book, it seems to me more like he just came in and took the spoils of war after the battle was over. I'd say the movies give him a good rap, rather than bad.

08-31-2002, 12:12 PM	#41
Telperion Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 78	I agree with everyone else too. Farimir was a very noble and ggod character. had he been Isildur's heir and not been overshadowed by his brother, he would have made almost as good a king as Aragorn. __________________ Wherever you go, there you are. Aim for the stars, if you miss, you'll at least land on the moon! He who is made of air should not accuse the wind. My mind wanders. "Not all those who wander are lost." Therefore, my mind is not lost. Now, my question to those of you who doubt my sanity is this: How can someone who has not lost their mind be insane?

08-31-2002, 12:34 PM	#42
Celebrian Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 75	Faramir is very similar to aragorn, but I don't think he would have liked being king of Gondor. He probably would have done a good job, but if you are raised to be a steward, you would probably not want to have to be a king. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost. Tall ships and tall kings, three times three. What brought they form the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree.

10-19-2002, 05:05 PM	#44
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	On the surface, Faramir is a bit of a wimp... but I would say that this wimpiness - or maybe just a lack of ambition - is why he lives, while his father and brother perish. And it is also why he is in fact the strongest, in terms of resistance to the lust for power. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

01-31-2003, 02:13 PM	#45
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	The perfect man Gladly I found I thread about Faramir. And I have to pick up the topic. I just love Faramir in the books (in TTT I just love his looks.). So if you like, let me know your thoughts about this gorgeous man whohe is in the books. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

02-02-2003, 02:00 PM	#47
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Noble is really the word for him. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

10-19-2002, 09:43 AM	#43
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Faramir is noble. He is really disapointed I think that Denethor didn't like him as much as Boromir, but he still likes Boromir.

01-31-2003, 02:49 PM	#46
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	I love Faramir, too. He's not the most exciting character in the books, but I've said before he'd be a good match for me IRL. He seems like he'd be a fun and interesting person to be around.

02-03-2003, 07:37 PM	#48
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	i think faramir is almost the same as aragorn but not as skilled of a fighter. in rotk faramir lost a fight against 1 nazgul but aragorn took 5 himself in fotr __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-04-2003, 11:01 AM	#49
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	You cannot compare that. Aragorn was fighting with them (and had little help from the hobbits) while the Nazgul was fighting with Faramir and could fly. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

02-04-2003, 11:10 AM	#50
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I don't think that it actually says in the book that Aragorn actually fought the Nazgul. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 11:13 AM	#51
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Let me think ... Weathertop .... couldn't say that either because I'm always mixing up movie and books __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-01-2003, 01:34 PM	#52
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I just discovered that Faramirs grand-son Barahir is mentioned on the first pages of LotR. That's wasn't in the German version of LotR!! __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-01-2003, 02:17 PM	#53
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Faramir is a different type of numenorian then Aragorn. If Aragorn is Elendil's heir by blood and deed, Faramir has something more ancient, if arguably less vital, the characteristics of Tar-Meneldur, -a man who could command, but was more concerned with thinking then doing. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-01-2003, 09:43 PM	#54
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Faramir was quite wise, but the book makes note that he is held in high esteem as a warrior and leader by his people. He simply could put war and power in their proper perspective whereas his father and brother failed to do so: to their ruin. (Boromir had a better excuse for this than Denthor) __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

03-02-2003, 06:00 AM	#55
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	One thing about Faramir that I appreciated very much was that he didn't like war just to fight against each other. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

03-02-2003, 09:53 AM	#56
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	I agree with all of you. I am reminded of the line Elrond says 'Men are weak' (I don't know that he actually says that in the book) I always thought that, when it came to the power of the ring, Isildur and Boromir were weak. Faramir, though, represents the strength that are in men, as in Aragorn.

03-02-2003, 10:58 AM	#57
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I don't know the movie gives Isildur a bad rap. He did repent of his decision to take the ring-he just died before he could do anything about it. Elrond is much more negative in the movie then in the book. He actually compares Frodo to the greatest of the Edain after his choice, and he is half-man himself. And of course, Aragorn doesn't have the self-doubt we see in the movie-all the self-doubt had been dealt with at this point. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-03-2003, 06:59 AM	#59
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	Yeh to tell you the truth in the book Isildur was led by Elrind to Mt Doom to destroy thr ring knowing its evil. I mean He did know it was the root to Sauron's power thats why he cut it. But he kept it and instead of his (good intentions ) he caused a whole new war. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

03-03-2003, 09:47 AM	#60
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Isildur seemed to me more heroic in the movie than the book. At least in the movies, he struck the final blow on Sauron. In the book, it seems to me more like he just came in and took the spoils of war after the battle was over. I'd say the movies give him a good rap, rather than bad. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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