Shadowfax - Page 3

Radagast The Brown · 04-15-2002, 02:34 PM

news!!!!
There's white horses in the world!!!

Elfhelm · 04-15-2002, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
news!!!!
There's white horses in the world!!!

No, there aren't. Perhaps some languages call their horses white, but in English they are greys. Do you believe me or should I fetch the actual wording from the breeders' horse color descriptions?

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Khamûl
What color is Shadowfax in the books? I know I've seen pictures of the movies and he's white. But for some reason, I've always pictured him as being black. I know it's probably somewhere in LotR, but I'm too lazy too look.

I agree he just doesn't feel white. He seems like a devil may care type, and those are always black. (most notiable, the Black Stallion)

Radagast The Brown · 04-16-2002, 05:08 PM

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originally posted by elfhelm

No, there aren't. Perhaps some languages call their horses white, but in English they are greys. Do you believe me or should I fetch the actual wording from the breeders' horse color descriptions?

I have an other choise? I guess no. I believe you.

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Radagast The Brown

I have an other choise? I guess no. I believe you.

I never thought of that, I think I read that some place.

Elfhelm · 04-16-2002, 07:43 PM

And if I may remove all doubt, Shadowfax is a modernization of the Anglo-Saxon word "Sceadufax": grey-hair.

Silver is also a horse color meaning there are also black hairs mixed with white in the mane.

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Elfhelm
And if I may remove all doubt, Shadowfax is a modernization of the Anglo-Saxon word "Sceadufax": grey-hair.

Silver is also a horse color meaning there are also black hairs mixed with white in the mane.

Where do you get these things? (slight amazed)

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 07:50 PM

Forget about the invasion of the Box, I would fear more about the String!

Here, have a smartie. Read a book. Stop spamming. Unless of course, it's about my beloved Box.

Elfhelm · 04-16-2002, 07:53 PM

Why "Sceadufax" was the original title of Book III chapter 5, The White Rider. It's in H.O.M.E.

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 07:54 PM

OOooooooh, now I get the box. Speaking of which have you read The Box... I can't remember the title, I do remember that there were bugs that were planning to take over the world inside.

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 07:56 PM

You know my secret. You must be squashed.

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 07:57 PM

It was a cool book. Hey, you mean i was right?

Arathorn · 04-17-2002, 12:31 AM

Wow, TwirlingString! You post like shadowfax (68+ posts/day)!

Elfhelm · 04-17-2002, 01:17 AM

Have you ever noticed that a couple people posting comments that should be in the General forum can kill a thread?

***azalea*** · 04-17-2002, 09:01 AM

Yes. I have noticed that.

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Elfhelm
Have you ever noticed that a couple people posting comments that should be in the General forum can kill a thread?

Sorry, I apologize. I think we did settle the matter of Shadowfax's color already though. We also check our information, so I think this thread is done anyway.

Elfhelm · 04-17-2002, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by TwirlingString

I think this thread is done

Threads are never done.

Anyway, Gandalf says Shadowfax is silver. And a white horse is possible if it has a full body sock. And silver is a horse color. And Sceadu is often translated as shadow, not grey, but sometimes equated with "scathe", connecting to the Nordic god Sceadu. But fax is old English for hair. JRRT taught old English. And he also read the Eddas in the original. So how does this god, Sceadu fit?

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Elfhelm

Threads are never done.

Anyway, Gandalf says Shadowfax is silver. And a white horse is possible if it has a full body sock. And silver is a horse color. And Sceadu is often translated as shadow, not grey, but sometimes equated with "scathe", connecting to the Nordic god Sceadu. But fax is old English for hair. JRRT taught old English. And he also read the Eddas in the original. So how does this god, Sceadu fit?

You may be right. And since you are now WAY over my head, i think I will bow out.

Elfhelm · 04-17-2002, 01:27 PM

I got this from a Harvard World Lore website:

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SHADE AND SHADOW
Look at the words "shade" and "shadow". What do you notice about them? One thing students might notice is that they start with the same letters: shad-. They might also notice they have similar meanings: casting a shadow makes shade. If they think these words are related, they are right!
A thousand (1000) years ago, people who spoke Old English said "sceadu". This word basically meant "shade". Six hundred (600) years ago the people who spoke Middle English used the word "schade" which eventually turned into our word "shade".

There were other forms of Old English "sceadu", though, including the oblique case form "sceadwe". 1 This eventually turned into our word "shadow". Since both "shade" and "shadow" come from one word (Old English "sceadu"), their meanings are very, very similar. In fact, you can try making sentences using only one of the words, and then try substituting in the other to see if the sentence still makes sense. Most of the time it will make sense, although it might sometimes sound a little funny. People tend to use "shade" and "shadow" slightly differently even though they mean almost the same thing. See if the students can figure out how they use both words.

About two thousand (2000) years ago, people who spoke Germanic might have said "skaðwoz" or "skadwaz" to mean "shade" (or "shadow"). 2 About six thousand (6000) years ago people who spoke Indo-European might have said "skotwós" or "skotos". This turned into words with related meanings in different later languages; the Greek word for "darkness" is very similar: "skotos". Here are words meaning "shade" or "shadow" in other Germanic languages--most only have one word for "shade" and "shadow":

West Frisian: skaed
Dutch: schaduw
Afrikaans: skadu
Low German: schadde
High German: Schatten
Gothic: shadus
Irish: scáth
Breton: scod
Cornish: scod
Welsh: cy-sgod

and I also found the Nordic name for the Goddess of Winter Snows is Scathi, where the "th" is represented with a torn character (but since some of us have Macs, I won't insert the character from a PC font.)

So I still say it all comes down to silver-grey.

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 01:42 PM

See what you did, you made him prove it! I think he's right though, the conversation has finally come back down to my level.

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Elfhelm Marshal of the Eastmark Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,412	And if I may remove all doubt, Shadowfax is a modernization of the Anglo-Saxon word "Sceadufax": grey-hair. Silver is also a horse color meaning there are also black hairs mixed with white in the mane. __________________ cya

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04-16-2002, 07:53 PM	#49
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TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	OOooooooh, now I get the box. Speaking of which have you read The Box... I can't remember the title, I do remember that there were bugs that were planning to take over the world inside. __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

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TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	It was a cool book. Hey, you mean i was right? __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

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04-17-2002, 01:42 PM	#60
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	See what you did, you made him prove it! I think he's right though, the conversation has finally come back down to my level. __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

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