The two towers - Page 3

Christiana · 05-28-2002, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
Lucky!
I'll probably be doomed to a lifetime of imagining Orlando Bloom nancing around as Legolas. Ergh.

Hey, r u dissing Legolas?

BeardofPants · 05-28-2002, 09:17 PM

No. Read it carefully. I'm dissing "Orli". What are you going to do? Hurt me?

Oooh... Pity I live all the way over here....

Samwise Gamgee · 05-29-2002, 02:36 PM

Ok, jus quickly bout t film- Orlando Bloom is awesum! Did you not see his facial expressions first when Gandalf sed 'It is a fell demon of the ancient world... A BALRRRRRRROG!' He looked like he'd dun a wee elf-present in his pants. And then, when the BIg G passes to shadow, his facial expression. He actually looks as tho he is struggling to find sufficient oxygen in the air (I dunno if that fits in w/elf physiology, don't know of the Prof sayin air was ne diffrent in M.E.), phenom!
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Christiana · 05-29-2002, 09:11 PM

Thats naughty Sammie.*shakes finger*

Aragorn_iz_cool · 05-31-2002, 09:09 PM

I think orthendoc and burendur. You know some Lunitics want to change the title of the movie becouse of 9/11?

cassiopeia · 05-31-2002, 09:37 PM

Umm do you mean Orthanc and Barad-dur? See the thread called Interesting about the petiton.

entss89 · 08-22-2002, 08:36 PM

I CANT HELP YOU THERE BECAUSE I DONT EVEN KNOW.

markedel · 08-23-2002, 09:14 PM

I always favored the orthanc/cirith ungol party!

SlowBeam · 08-31-2002, 04:38 PM

Click Here or Copy the one Below
http://www.users.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/2towers.htm

See the above link which was posted by a user on a different thread (same subject).

I was always of the opinion reading the novels that the Two Towers refered to Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul because they were originally the Tower of the Moon and the Tower of the Setting Sun.

There is definitely that note at the end of Fellowship indicating Orthanc and Morgul, and upon reflection that makes the most sense in terms of the plot.

The work is so rich, it should really be called the four towers. Orthanc, Minias Tirith, Minas Morgul, and Barad-Dur.

Caleb · 09-01-2002, 05:58 PM

It refers to Barad-dur and Orthanc because Peter Jackson says so on the Two toweres preview on the fellowship of the ring DVD. He said clearly that in LOTR that the two towers refer to Barad-dur and Orthanc.

Comic Book Guy · 09-01-2002, 06:11 PM

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It refers to Barad-dur and Orthanc because Peter Jackson says so on the Two toweres preview on the fellowship of the ring DVD. He said clearly that in LOTR that the two towers refer to Barad-dur and Orthanc.

Peter Jackson is not Tolkien, his words mean nothing.

Cirdan · 09-26-2002, 05:30 PM

It will always be Isengard (Orthanc) and Cirith Ungol for me because those are the paths of the plots of books 3 and 4. Barad Dur is only mentioned as it is throughout the story as saron makes his disembodoed presence known. The Tower appears only because Sauron can't.

Agburanar · 09-27-2002, 08:29 AM

Orthanc and Minas Tirith. That's where most of the action revolves and also where the two palantiri seen in the books are kept.

Radagast The Brown · 09-27-2002, 08:46 AM

It refers to Minas Morgul and Orthank. it's written in my book in a letter Tolkien send to another writer.

Grey_Wolf · 09-27-2002, 09:46 AM

I think the title refers to Minas Tirith and The Dark Tower of Mordor.

Dunadan · 09-28-2002, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Comic Book Guy
Peter Jackson is not Tolkien, his words mean nothing.

Incorrect. He made the films. His words mean lots, whether you like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to believe them, just that lots of other people will.

I always thought it was Orthanc and Barad-dur. Minas Morgul isn't really a tower: a walled city like Minas Tirith. The driving force of Books 3&4 is the politics played out between Saruman and Sauron via the Palantir.

D.

Radagast The Brown · 09-28-2002, 03:04 PM

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Incorrect. He made the films. His words mean lots, whether you like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to believe them, just that lots of other people will.

He is correct. Peter Jackson did the movie, but didn't write the book. The writer is the only person who could say what the title is. It's not right to say that because lots of people believe of something it is right.

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I always thought it was Orthanc and Barad-dur. Minas Morgul isn't really a tower: a walled city like Minas Tirith. The driving force of Books 3&4 is the politics played out between Saruman and Sauron via the Palantir.

Minas Morgul was a city behind walls but in the middle of it there was a tower. It called Minas Morgul - The dark turret. Turret is a small tower. Like Minas Tirith.

***Khamûl*** · 09-28-2002, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by Radagast The Brown

He is correct. Peter Jackson did the movie, but didn't write the book. The writer is the only person who could say what the title is. It's not right to say that because lots of people believe of something it is right.

Well said Radagast.

olsonm · 09-29-2002, 12:28 AM

PJ was talking about which Two Towers are being refered to in his movie. He can't be wrong about that.

As for the book, the title can refer to any two towers you want it to. It's just a title the publisher (with Tolkien's acceptance) slapped on the book so they wouldn't have to call it Lord of the Rings: Part II.

cassiopeia · 09-29-2002, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by Dunadan
Incorrect. He made the films. His words mean lots, whether you like it or not. Doesn't mean you have to believe them, just that lots of other people will.

Radagast said it well, but just because PJ says that the two towers are Orthanc and Barad-dur doesn't mean that is true. This is the book forum, PJ is irrelevent here. What Tolkien has to say is what matters.

I think someone has said this, but I saw on the cover of TTT a sketch drawn of Orthanc and Minas Morgul.

05-28-2002, 09:17 PM	#42
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	No. Read it carefully. I'm dissing "Orli". What are you going to do? Hurt me? Oooh... Pity I live all the way over here.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

05-29-2002, 02:36 PM	#43
Samwise Gamgee Hobbit Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17	Ok, jus quickly bout t film- Orlando Bloom is awesum! Did you not see his facial expressions first when Gandalf sed 'It is a fell demon of the ancient world... A BALRRRRRRROG!' He looked like he'd dun a wee elf-present in his pants. And then, when the BIg G passes to shadow, his facial expression. He actually looks as tho he is struggling to find sufficient oxygen in the air (I dunno if that fits in w/elf physiology, don't know of the Prof sayin air was ne diffrent in M.E.), phenom! ________ CRAZYFORME live Last edited by Samwise Gamgee : 09-20-2011 at 02:47 AM.

05-29-2002, 09:11 PM	#44
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Thats naughty Sammie.shakes finger __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

05-31-2002, 09:37 PM	#46
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	Umm do you mean Orthanc and Barad-dur? See the thread called Interesting about the petiton. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

08-22-2002, 08:36 PM	#47
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	HI I CANT HELP YOU THERE BECAUSE I DONT EVEN KNOW.

05-31-2002, 09:09 PM	#45
Aragorn_iz_cool Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 119	I think orthendoc and burendur. You know some Lunitics want to change the title of the movie becouse of 9/11?

08-23-2002, 09:14 PM	#48
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I always favored the orthanc/cirith ungol party! __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-31-2002, 04:38 PM	#49
SlowBeam Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 3	From Another Thread on this Click Here or Copy the one Below http://www.users.cts.com/king/e/erikt/tolkien/2towers.htm See the above link which was posted by a user on a different thread (same subject). I was always of the opinion reading the novels that the Two Towers refered to Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul because they were originally the Tower of the Moon and the Tower of the Setting Sun. There is definitely that note at the end of Fellowship indicating Orthanc and Morgul, and upon reflection that makes the most sense in terms of the plot. The work is so rich, it should really be called the four towers. Orthanc, Minias Tirith, Minas Morgul, and Barad-Dur.

09-01-2002, 05:58 PM	#50
Caleb Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I'll never tell. Posts: 37	It refers to Barad-dur and Orthanc because Peter Jackson says so on the Two toweres preview on the fellowship of the ring DVD. He said clearly that in LOTR that the two towers refer to Barad-dur and Orthanc. __________________ -Caleb

09-26-2002, 05:30 PM	#52
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	It will always be Isengard (Orthanc) and Cirith Ungol for me because those are the paths of the plots of books 3 and 4. Barad Dur is only mentioned as it is throughout the story as saron makes his disembodoed presence known. The Tower appears only because Sauron can't. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

09-27-2002, 08:29 AM	#53
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Orthanc and Minas Tirith. That's where most of the action revolves and also where the two palantiri seen in the books are kept. __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

09-27-2002, 08:46 AM	#54
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	It refers to Minas Morgul and Orthank. it's written in my book in a letter Tolkien send to another writer. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

09-27-2002, 09:46 AM	#55
Grey_Wolf Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood, well actually I live in North-west Scania, Sweden Posts: 9,481	I think the title refers to Minas Tirith and The Dark Tower of Mordor.

09-29-2002, 12:28 AM	#59
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	PJ was talking about which Two Towers are being refered to in his movie. He can't be wrong about that. As for the book, the title can refer to any two towers you want it to. It's just a title the publisher (with Tolkien's acceptance) slapped on the book so they wouldn't have to call it Lord of the Rings: Part II. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

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