The Hobbit movie will happen! - Page 3

Lotesse · 12-14-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

It's easy to assume it can't be messed up, and that's the trap: it can be easily messed up; by first assuming that it can't.

Totally agree with you here. I'm not betting on The Hobit being a great film, I'm staying damn cynical about it until we see what they've produced. Personally, I wish Ian McKellan would stay as Gandlaf, as far as I'm concerned no one else is Gandalf. And I'd prefer Peter Jackson to direct The Hobbit, as long as he stayed strict-true to the book this time and not go nuts with his own artistic interpretations of stuff, like he did with more than a few key points of story in his LotR trilogy films. But I'm a loyal fan of PJs, I don't care what all the snobby naysayers say. I appreciate PJ.

Hmm, but I don't know, about this Hobbit movie, I don't know, we'll see...

captain carrot · 12-14-2006, 06:59 PM

the tone is much more suited to a 21st century big bucks production though.

That to me is the difference.

( i mean in relation to the LOTR in Tolkien terms)

I think PJ after all the well documented bitterness with New Line on rights and commercial legalities, was just no longer an option ... it'd effectively be like Heaven asking satan to direct the nativity this year ....

... just turn the other cheek!

wouldn't wash!

If that is the fact, then it's best they move it on to a director whom they can trust.

what a ****ed-up world we live in , huh?

hectorberlioz · 12-14-2006, 07:03 PM

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Lotesse · 12-14-2006, 07:06 PM

They wouldn't even bother taking the five seconds it would take to laugh in our collective faces. The studios could care less what fans ask for! They have no soul. It's purely all about money to the studios. It's business, huge, huge business, not art. They could care less about art.

hectorberlioz · 12-14-2006, 07:09 PM

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captain carrot · 12-14-2006, 07:13 PM

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They wouldn't even bother taking the five seconds it would take to laugh in our collective faces. The studios could care less what fans ask for! They have no soul. It's purely all about money to the studios. It's business, huge, huge business, not art. They could care less about art.

So, so true of the commercial production industry, esp in distribution terms.

But there ya goes ...

but art need not be unenjoyable - nor sustainable - else it is held to ridicule as elitist and the kind of thing Ghandi would die rather than defend ...

neither, indeed, need it be obscure to the point that it is hateful.

But the Buck rules the muse to a degree that has become well beyond the (sadly) expected pale.

hectorberlioz · 12-14-2006, 07:14 PM

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captain carrot · 12-14-2006, 07:16 PM

Who Ysa Talking To?

hectorberlioz · 12-14-2006, 07:17 PM

You of course

, you have that flowing and flowery phrasing that gets you so much attention from the ladies

Lotesse · 12-14-2006, 07:18 PM

That's why we should all remember to support and encourage indie film and independent filmmakers as much as possible. There is where art can be free of studio manipulation; the last bastion of truth and art in film, Indie productions. It's just that it takes so, so much money to produce a dazzling film, so many filmmakers have to resort to going to the big studios for financial support, and then the studios get to screw with the art at their whim. That's why Douglas Fairbanks, Mary Pickford, Charlie Chaplin and them got together bakc when they did to make it so the artists themselves could call their own shots in filmmaking. United Artists, was that the studio they made? I think so. Of course, in time all the mondo studios end up getting the control, somehow. Hollywood is such a dirty business.

captain carrot · 12-14-2006, 07:31 PM

it ain't easy, that's for sure - you walk so many high pressure tight-ropes so many times ...

you can learn to live with that ..but the moment you get too comfortable it'll all go pear ...

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You of course, you have that flowing and flowery phrasing that gets you so much attention from the ladies

are you kidding around in the context here, Hec????

i type whatever the knob i think ... what the knob are you implying?

Bah - i better take a time-out ... thinmgs are nuts here at the mo ...

Lotesse · 12-14-2006, 07:39 PM

Jesus, calm down ButterCarrot, Hector was giving you a compliment! Can't you recognise a flattery when one's directed at you? He was flattering you!

captain carrot · 12-14-2006, 07:52 PM

mmm.... that's why i took a time out

but i was replying to the neo-con standard "you reading from a book" jibe , just for the record.

EDIT**

tho apparently i misquoted the wrong bleedin wotsit ...

***Rían*** · 12-14-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by captain carrot

do you do slightly different voices for the characters Ri?

..i do for my God-daughter and nieces .. and me dad did for me ....

Now, that is an honest hour well spent that is fun

best, CC

Yes, I do change the voices a bit

and there's nothing like reading to the kids! Good stuff!

I read The Hobbit to them a few years ago on a summer vacation. I'd read while we were driving - sometimes for hours! They were merciless!

"C'mon, mom, you've rested your voice enough - read some more!!!"

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-15-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

That is stupid! You would sacrifice the chance for something better just to see Ian McKellen's old foggy face as gandalf again, after THREE movies? What are you, an addict? Why on earth does continuity matter so much to people? The Hobbit should avoid the crimes committed on LotR.

I want Gandalf to have one face.

That picture is not Samurai. So he has a sword. So what?

***Earniel*** · 12-15-2006, 03:42 PM

I thought sir Ian McKellen was fine as Gandalf, couldn't think of a better actor for the role, and I too would like to see him back again in the Hobbit. So there.

Gwaimir Windgem · 12-15-2006, 04:52 PM

Aha! You would not dare to go against Earniel, would you! Oppose the fair lady? I think not!

ItalianLegolas · 12-18-2006, 06:57 AM

I too wonder what exactly what you have against Ian McKellen HB... and of course they can mess the movie up, haven't you heard of Uwe Boll?

hectorberlioz · 12-20-2006, 01:13 PM

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***Earniel*** · 12-20-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

I'm wondering why on earth you guys are falling all over McKellen's feet trying to protect him from criticism

...

My problem with him is this: he's a meddler, and after FotR his Gandalf sank. I thought and still do think that he was excellent in FotR.

Not falling over anyone's feet or protecting anyone from criticism. I just think he was a good Gandalf. *shrugs* I liked his Gandalf the Grey better than his Gandalf the White, though.

And it's not like Gandalf never was a meddler in some cases too.

12-14-2006, 07:03 PM	#43
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12-14-2006, 07:06 PM	#44
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	They wouldn't even bother taking the five seconds it would take to laugh in our collective faces. The studios could care less what fans ask for! They have no soul. It's purely all about money to the studios. It's business, huge, huge business, not art. They could care less about art. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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12-14-2006, 06:59 PM	#42
captain carrot Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 138	the tone is much more suited to a 21st century big bucks production though. That to me is the difference. ( i mean in relation to the LOTR in Tolkien terms) I think PJ after all the well documented bitterness with New Line on rights and commercial legalities, was just no longer an option ... it'd effectively be like Heaven asking satan to direct the nativity this year .... ... just turn the other cheek! wouldn't wash! If that is the fact, then it's best they move it on to a director whom they can trust. what a ****ed-up world we live in , huh?

12-14-2006, 07:16 PM	#48
captain carrot Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 138	Who Ysa Talking To?

12-14-2006, 07:18 PM	#50
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	That's why we should all remember to support and encourage indie film and independent filmmakers as much as possible. There is where art can be free of studio manipulation; the last bastion of truth and art in film, Indie productions. It's just that it takes so, so much money to produce a dazzling film, so many filmmakers have to resort to going to the big studios for financial support, and then the studios get to screw with the art at their whim. That's why Douglas Fairbanks, Mary Pickford, Charlie Chaplin and them got together bakc when they did to make it so the artists themselves could call their own shots in filmmaking. United Artists, was that the studio they made? I think so. Of course, in time all the mondo studios end up getting the control, somehow. Hollywood is such a dirty business. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

12-14-2006, 07:39 PM	#52
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Jesus, calm down ButterCarrot, Hector was giving you a compliment! Can't you recognise a flattery when one's directed at you? He was flattering you! __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

12-14-2006, 07:52 PM	#53
captain carrot Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 138	mmm.... that's why i took a time out but i was replying to the neo-con standard "you reading from a book" jibe , just for the record. EDIT** tho apparently i misquoted the wrong bleedin wotsit ... Last edited by captain carrot : 12-14-2006 at 07:53 PM.

12-15-2006, 03:42 PM	#56
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I thought sir Ian McKellen was fine as Gandalf, couldn't think of a better actor for the role, and I too would like to see him back again in the Hobbit. So there. __________________ We are not things.

12-15-2006, 04:52 PM	#57
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Aha! You would not dare to go against Earniel, would you! Oppose the fair lady? I think not! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

12-18-2006, 06:57 AM	#58
ItalianLegolas Tolkien-aholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: somewhere in the solar system... more specifically NJ... Posts: 712	I too wonder what exactly what you have against Ian McKellen HB... and of course they can mess the movie up, haven't you heard of Uwe Boll? __________________ What was lost is now found.

12-20-2006, 01:13 PM	#59
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	[deleted] __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 08-16-2007 at 06:02 PM.

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