Handguns, Guns and Rifles Thread - Page 3

Spock · 09-19-2005, 11:42 AM

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Yes, in your opinion. I prefer the Springfield.I disagree..

FINE- this is a IMO thread unless you quote someone else. I am making my choices based upon current availability to the general public and not necessarily historical comparissons.

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A .45 ACP will stop better than a 9mm most likelyYes, for an average person. .

Again ammunition will compensate for cartridge size. Many law enforcement and military studies have validated the 9mm with the proper ammo.

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From my personal experience, it is easy to compensate for the up & right. .

Then you have a similar background to myself as the T.MG is illegal and not available for over forty years to the general public. It's unfair to even mention it in a discussion with the general posters as they may not even know what it looks like.

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Oh, and if its home defense we're talking, like I said, a shotgun Remington 870 Express to be exact... speaks the best..

Again, we agree but I prefer not to splatter the insides of my house with the insides of an intruder. A shotgun with large shot is good to have but a handgun is usually easier to handle, to hide and to use for most people with a little practice. What's the use of having a shotgun if you're going to blow up your piano and only scare the burglar

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Basicly you can argue the pros and cons of every gun, and it really boils down to ones preference.

Absolutely, almost. I advise finding a weapon you are comfortable using; i.e. holding and shooting; and then practice a bit every so often so that you can hit your target. Most shootings are within 15' and closer so you don't need to be an "annie oakley" to use a gun for self defense.

..........certified advanced pistol instructor S&W and former range officer.

Lotesse · 09-19-2005, 01:55 PM

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Again, we agree but I prefer not to splatter the insides of my house with the insides of an intruder. A shotgun with large shot is good to have but a handgun is usually easier to handle, to hide and to use for most people with a little practice. What's the use of having a shotgun if you're going to blow up your piano and only scare the burglar

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LOL!!

Well, that Beretta I had was extremely accurate, but a lot of my friends actually prefer Glocks (ugh, I hate Glocks). What is the fascination with Glock guns, anyway?

Spock · 09-19-2005, 02:18 PM

to back track a bit; a .25 cal. isn't going to kill anyone unless you put it against their temple (typical execution), in most cases.
secondly, remember James Bond had his Baretta taken away for lack of stopping power.

lastly, glocks originally became famous as 'invisible' to airport and metal detection devices. Currently they are just darn well made guns.

Snowdog · 09-19-2005, 03:20 PM

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Again, we agree but I prefer not to splatter the insides of my house with the insides of an intruder. A shotgun with large shot is good to have but a handgun is usually easier to handle, to hide and to use for most people with a little practice. What's the use of having a shotgun if you're going to blow up your piano and only scare the burglar

Ah, but who needs to blast away in one's own house? Its the sound of the chambering that will scare them away without firing a shot. And if they are intent on harming anyone, they will be missing a good portion of their gut for trying.

And yes opportunities to fire a Thompson are indeed limited, but still, I don't see where their mention in this thread is verboten. Not everybody has a black powder Sharps .50 muzzle loader either, so I guess I can't talk about that one either? Since it seems to me that you are framing some rules of mention in this thread, fine. Have at it.

Cheers,
Snowdog

Lotesse · 09-19-2005, 03:37 PM

No, you guys feel free to argue away in this thread! It's very intersting to read, for real. It's the WINE thread I made that I wanted to keep non-argumentative. Guns, on the other hand, always beg for some sort of strife!

Spock · 09-19-2005, 07:55 PM

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Ah, but who needs to blast away in one's own house?

Sorry, I thought that's what was being discussed. My error.

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And yes opportunities to fire a Thompson are indeed limited,

they are more than limited for a weapon outlawed over 40 yrs ago.

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but still, I don't see where their mention in this thread is verboten. Not everybody has a black powder Sharps .50 muzzle loader either, so I guess I can't talk about that one either? Since it seems to me that you are framing some rules of mention in this thread, fine. Have at it.

Geeze Louise, I again thought this was a 'practical' discussion and not a theoretical or historical one. You can have it.

The last sane person · 09-19-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spock

to back track a bit; a .25 cal. isn't going to kill anyone unless you put it against their temple (typical execution), in most cases.
secondly, remember James Bond had his Baretta taken away for lack of stopping power.

lastly, glocks originally became famous as 'invisible' to airport and metal detection devices. Currently they are just darn well made guns.

I beg to differ, at a good 10 yards, I can put a hole in some ones head large enough to kill them, provided their skull isnt cement. And by law, if you are firing in self defence, its really only one shot that counts. If you open up on a fellow, and he had stopped advancing and was still standing, technically, you'd be billed for assult and or murder...But y'all know that.

As for glocks, they are damn well built guns, that and the invisibility in metla detectors as they are mostly made out of high grade plastics adn what have you...I have one, but my brother is an expert.

Spock · 09-19-2005, 08:09 PM

at 30' I have yet to see anyone able to fire a 25 cal semi-auto hand gun and even hit the target....ballistically it won't penetrate a skull.

The last sane person · 09-19-2005, 08:14 PM

Heh...Lucky shot I guess, then. And its not as though I would need to shoot some one 30ft away. Its for close quarters that its made for. If some one jumps me, its point blank that I have shot it, and that does plenty on its own.

Spock · 09-19-2005, 08:19 PM

...sigh....

leaves topic and loads weapons

durinsbane2244 · 09-19-2005, 08:32 PM

I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS!!!!!!!!! but i love swords. . .

Spock · 09-19-2005, 08:36 PM

Well I'm only a moderate swordsman....passed fencing in college....and fought mock in Japan..

Lotesse · 09-20-2005, 12:00 AM

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...sigh....

leaves topic and loads weapons

nervous LoL!

Spock · 09-21-2005, 12:25 PM

Lotesse · 09-21-2005, 12:45 PM

Thirst is more powerful than the fear of poison, dear Spock.

Spock · 09-21-2005, 12:47 PM

Gee, Dumbledore didn't think so. Oh, wrong thread.
Thanks.

Lotesse · 09-27-2005, 04:52 PM

So glad I don't own a weapon anymore because I would be SHOOTING MY NINE RIGHT THIS MOMENT into the skull of the owner of this condominium, that jackass.

Spock · 09-27-2005, 06:29 PM

...I hear you Lotesse, I'm just glad we can't shoot over the internet

Lotesse · 09-27-2005, 06:34 PM

lol! WORD!!

Snowdog · 09-28-2005, 11:31 AM

After I finish this whiskey bottle, I'll be out in the street ready....

*close up of the Clint Eastwood spagetti western eyes*

09-19-2005, 02:18 PM	#43
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	to back track a bit; a .25 cal. isn't going to kill anyone unless you put it against their temple (typical execution), in most cases. secondly, remember James Bond had his Baretta taken away for lack of stopping power. lastly, glocks originally became famous as 'invisible' to airport and metal detection devices. Currently they are just darn well made guns. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-19-2005, 03:37 PM	#45
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	No, you guys feel free to argue away in this thread! It's very intersting to read, for real. It's the WINE thread I made that I wanted to keep non-argumentative. Guns, on the other hand, always beg for some sort of strife! __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

09-19-2005, 08:09 PM	#48
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	at 30' I have yet to see anyone able to fire a 25 cal semi-auto hand gun and even hit the target....ballistically it won't penetrate a skull. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 09-19-2005 at 08:10 PM.

09-19-2005, 08:14 PM	#49
The last sane person The Black Númenórean Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,773	Heh...Lucky shot I guess, then. And its not as though I would need to shoot some one 30ft away. Its for close quarters that its made for. If some one jumps me, its point blank that I have shot it, and that does plenty on its own. __________________ Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

09-19-2005, 08:19 PM	#50
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	...sigh.... leaves topic and loads weapons __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 09-19-2005 at 08:22 PM.

09-19-2005, 08:32 PM	#51
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS I HATE GUNS!!!!!!!!! but i love swords. . . __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih... Last edited by Spock : 09-19-2005 at 08:37 PM. Reason: assist with sizing

09-19-2005, 08:36 PM	#52
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Well I'm only a moderate swordsman....passed fencing in college....and fought mock in Japan.. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-21-2005, 12:25 PM	#54
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	La sete è più potente del timore di veleno. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-21-2005, 12:45 PM	#55
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Thirst is more powerful than the fear of poison, dear Spock. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

09-21-2005, 12:47 PM	#56
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Gee, Dumbledore didn't think so. Oh, wrong thread. Thanks. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-27-2005, 04:52 PM	#57
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	So glad I don't own a weapon anymore because I would be SHOOTING MY NINE RIGHT THIS MOMENT into the skull of the owner of this condominium, that jackass. __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

09-27-2005, 06:29 PM	#58
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	...I hear you Lotesse, I'm just glad we can't shoot over the internet __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-27-2005, 06:34 PM	#59
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	lol! WORD!! __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

09-28-2005, 11:31 AM	#60
Snowdog Dúnedain Ranger of the North Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ruins of Arnor Posts: 892	After I finish this whiskey bottle, I'll be out in the street ready.... close up of the Clint Eastwood spagetti western eyes __________________ "I am an outlaw, I was born an outlaw's son. The highway is my legacy, on the highway I will run."