Túrin and Nienor - Page 3

Lalaith · 01-22-2003, 04:39 PM

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I hated taking foriegn language in school. I had four years of French, and flunked out.

We are learning English and Spanish in school. I get along with English quite well, but Spanish is the absolute horror. On Friday we are writing a test and I have absolutely no clue. I just don't understand these damn tenses. When I think of Spanish English seems so easy to me, although I have my difficulties.
Did you notice that our topic totally fits into the Thread "Túrin and Nienor".

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-22-2003, 04:47 PM

Good luck on your test Friday.

Do try to read the portion of the Athrabeth I posted. It is very beautiful. It is just one of many failed love affairs that Tolkien wrote about. Tragic, sad, but written so beautifully.

Lalaith · 01-22-2003, 04:51 PM

I have a question concerning the "history of middle-earth"-row. Are that books in the style of the Books of Lost tales (I know they are part of this row) or are they more actual like the Silmarillion.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-22-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I have a question concerning the "history of middle-earth"-row. Are that books in the style of the Books of Lost tales (I know they are part of this row) or are they more actual like the Silmarillion.

I would have to say neither, because they focus on different ages and events. Like volumes 10 and 11 are the Later Quenta Silmarillion. In these two books are some notes of JRR's along with commentary from Christopher. He makes corrections to mistakes made in the published Silmarillion and so forth. They also contain Laws and Customs of the Eldar, The Annals of Aman, The Grey Annals, Myths Transformed, and the Athrabeth. You have then four Volumes that surround events and the writing of the LotRs. There are also essays. Volume 3 is the Lays of Beleriand, which contains the Lay of Leithien told in its intirety. The Lays of Hurin, notes, and commentary. There is the volume of Shaping of Middle- earth, and the last volume, the Peoples of Middle-earth which is pretty self explanatory, also containing notes and commentary.

Lalaith · 01-23-2003, 03:13 AM

Thank you, I'm really looking forward to reading these books as I loved the Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales. I think I'll get them on my birthday.
And .... on the weekend I'll finally have time to read the text.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-23-2003, 11:45 AM

That's Great.

Lalaith · 01-23-2003, 02:17 PM

Is in any of these books the Story of Nienor and Túrin expanded. Or do they include some more information about the fate of the men if they die?

BeardofPants · 01-23-2003, 02:27 PM

One of the lays in HoME 3 covers the story of the children of Hurin. Plus, there is the further development of the stories in 4 and 5.

Lalaith · 01-23-2003, 02:34 PM

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One of the lays in HoME 3 covers the story of the children of Hurin. Plus, there is the further development of the stories in 4 and 5.

Thank you, now I really can't wait to get this books.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-23-2003, 03:33 PM

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Or do they include some more information about the fate of the men if they die?

Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth is loaded with discussion on the fate, nature and gift of Men, and the differences in this between them and the Elves.

Lalaith · 01-24-2003, 01:46 AM

I love that discussion. But I'm not quite sure if I see death as a gift.

BeardofPants · 01-24-2003, 02:54 AM

It is, though. Imagine being bound to the circles of the world through all the ages, being doomed to fade. I'll take death, thanks.

***Earniel*** · 01-24-2003, 05:55 AM

Ditto, just let them wait a little bit longer for giving me that gift, okay? About 60 or 70 years would be nice.

Artanis · 01-24-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I love that discussion. But I'm not quite sure if I see death as a gift.

The gift was to be able to leave the world after death. Elves can also die, but they are bound to the world and cannot escape.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-24-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I love that discussion. But I'm not quite sure if I see death as a gift.

LOL! You sound like Andreth. That is exactly what that debate was about. It started out as a gift, but then became tainted by Morgoth.

Lalaith · 01-24-2003, 11:22 AM

I can be both, a gift and a torture. Think of living the perfect life and then you die and it is all over. And the other point: If the world is a place with only war and no peace, then death is really a gift.

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 05:03 AM

Sister Golden Hair:
Finally I got to read this part of the story you posted. I is really cute, but sad. Is this old english? Sometimes I really had a hard time understanding it.

***Jonathan*** · 01-26-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I can be both, a gift and a torture. Think of living the perfect life and then you die and it is all over. And the other point: If the world is a place with only war and no peace, then death is really a gift.

If you are very old, then there should be nothing better than to die after having lived (and still living?) the perfect life.

Lalaith · 01-26-2003, 05:08 AM

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If you are very old, then there should be nothing better than to die after having lived (and still living?) the perfect life.

But if you don't become old?

***Jonathan*** · 01-26-2003, 06:29 AM

If you don't die old, then death might be a problem...

01-22-2003, 04:47 PM	#42
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Good luck on your test Friday. Do try to read the portion of the Athrabeth I posted. It is very beautiful. It is just one of many failed love affairs that Tolkien wrote about. Tragic, sad, but written so beautifully. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-22-2003, 04:51 PM	#43
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I have a question concerning the "history of middle-earth"-row. Are that books in the style of the Books of Lost tales (I know they are part of this row) or are they more actual like the Silmarillion. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-23-2003, 03:13 AM	#45
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Thank you, I'm really looking forward to reading these books as I loved the Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales. I think I'll get them on my birthday. And .... on the weekend I'll finally have time to read the text. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-23-2003, 11:45 AM	#46
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	That's Great. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-23-2003, 02:17 PM	#47
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Is in any of these books the Story of Nienor and Túrin expanded. Or do they include some more information about the fate of the men if they die? __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-23-2003, 02:27 PM	#48
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	One of the lays in HoME 3 covers the story of the children of Hurin. Plus, there is the further development of the stories in 4 and 5. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-24-2003, 01:46 AM	#51
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I love that discussion. But I'm not quite sure if I see death as a gift. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-24-2003, 02:54 AM	#52
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	It is, though. Imagine being bound to the circles of the world through all the ages, being doomed to fade. I'll take death, thanks. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-24-2003, 05:55 AM	#53
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Ditto, just let them wait a little bit longer for giving me that gift, okay? About 60 or 70 years would be nice. __________________ We are not things.

01-24-2003, 11:22 AM	#56
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I can be both, a gift and a torture. Think of living the perfect life and then you die and it is all over. And the other point: If the world is a place with only war and no peace, then death is really a gift. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-26-2003, 05:03 AM	#57
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	Sister Golden Hair: Finally I got to read this part of the story you posted. I is really cute, but sad. Is this old english? Sometimes I really had a hard time understanding it. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-26-2003, 06:29 AM	#60
*Jonathan* Entmoot Attorney-General, Equilibrating the Scales of Justice, Administrator ♎ Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 3,891	If you don't die old, then death might be a problem... __________________ An unwritten post is a delightful universe of infinite possibilities. Set down one word, however, and it immediately becomes earthbound. Set down one sentence and it’s halfway to being just like every other bloody entry that’s ever been written. ☻

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