Eowyn or Arwen? - Page 3

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
Eowyn is definately better than Arwen. What did Arwen do when the war of the ring was on? Stayed at home. At least Eowyn had the guts to go out and fight against the dark lord. I know that Aragorn and Arwen's family tree makes them the perfect couple and it probably couldn't be any other way, it would have cool it Aragorn and Eowyn got together.

Why do we tend to go for characters like that? I like her too, but she got seriously hurt.

FrodoFriend · 04-16-2002, 08:42 PM

Eowyn!

Mainly because Arwen had about zero part in the book, so it's hard to like her - not much personality. Plus I sympathize with Eowyn.

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by FrodoFriend
Eowyn!

Mainly because Arwen had about zero part in the book, so it's hard to like her - not much personality. Plus I sympathize with Eowyn.

You have a point there. She might have been likeable if there ahd been more off her.

BeardofPants · 04-16-2002, 08:49 PM

*Unleashes some more fire ants*

TwirlingString · 04-16-2002, 08:50 PM

Why are you following me?

TinuvielChild · 04-16-2002, 09:38 PM

i would say Eowyn, because of a few things (shieldmaiden factor, sheer "there"-ness, and movie-Arwen), but Arwen is a really cool character. Compared to Arwen, Eowyn hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell. I mean, look at who her ancestors were, just on her father's mother's side! Luthien Tinuviel. Dior, Heir of Thingol. Melian the Maia. and a bloody Noldorian King, Elu Thingol! (previously known as Elwe). i'm not even going to go into the other side of her family (Galadriel, Finarfin..

)!

plus, Arwen is even more beautiful than the Lady Galadriel, and she is sometimes thought to be Luthien Tinuviel, the most beautiful woman ever to walk Arda, returned to life. And she gets to be Queen of Gondor and married to Aragorn. Eowyn? HA! I laugh...mwahahahaha!!!

FrodoFriend · 04-16-2002, 09:54 PM

Yeah, but . . . I don't know, Arwen's just kind of boring. She has no presence, and no problems. I love Eowyn because she's so desperate and strong-willed. She's human (I mean in spirit, not in race), and so much easier to identify with.

TinuvielChild · 04-16-2002, 10:44 PM

true FF. but what the heck, Arwen is under-represented on this thread I think. so yeah, Eowyn is cool, fiery slay-Ringwraith-y marry-Farawin-y Xena type gal. Arwen is ELVISH!!!!! mwahahahaha...

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 01:08 PM

Elves are cool. But only when they have some interest factor. If they do nothing (as when They are dreaming- Mercedes Lackey reference) they are extremely boring. Why does everyone love the ears? Or is it just the idea of elves?

***Earniel*** · 04-17-2002, 01:58 PM

Wait until you read the Disc World variant of elves. Uk, scary.

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Eärniel
Wait until you read the Disc World variant of elves. Uk, scary.

I have, they were. They tried to take over Granny's mind, and used mirror magic. They were beaten up when the queen to be put on the helmet of one of the warror queend

cassiopeia · 04-17-2002, 08:04 PM

I know Arwen has an awesome ancestory, but doesn't matter to me. I can sympathise with Eowyn cause I would go out to battle like her and I know what it is like to be in love with a guy who doens't want you.

TwirlingString · 04-17-2002, 11:57 PM

What does the ancestory have to do with anything, it doesn't say anything about her.

Wulažg · 04-18-2002, 06:04 PM

It doesn't necessarily tell you anything but combine it with accounts of her and she is really nilda(sorry elvish). Arwen vanimelda Namárië (LoRI 367)

Bilbo Baggins · 04-18-2002, 06:10 PM

I would personally go for someone like Eowyn. Having said that, i am happy with who I have at the moment.

Aragorn_iz_cool · 04-18-2002, 08:44 PM

Eowyn!!!! Duh. Proof!

Book- 1.Ok well you guys all say arwen was going to give up her immotilty for aragorn. EOWYN WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HIM!!! NOT LIVE FOR ANOTHER 121 YEARS AND THEN DIE. INSTENTLY DIE.
2. Who styed at home wif her daddy? WHO RODE IN BATTLE AGENST THE #2 EVIL GUY, AND ALMOST KILLED HERSELF IN THE PROCESS.

Movie- 1. ARWEN STOLE GLORFINDELS PART!!!!! GO GLORFINDEL!!!
2. WHAT IF ARWEN'S CLUMSY LITTLE HAND HAD SLIPPED AN THAT SWORD HAD KILLED ARAGORN?!! SHE HAS GOT TO BE MORE CAREFUL!!

Menelvagor · 04-18-2002, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by Aragorn_iz_cool
Eowyn!!!! Duh. Proof!

Book- 1.Ok well you guys all say arwen was going to give up her immotilty for aragorn. EOWYN WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HIM!!! NOT LIVE FOR ANOTHER 121 YEARS AND THEN DIE. INSTENTLY DIE.

Hm, but Eowyn didn't really want to die for Aragorn, to me that always just seemed like an afterthought, a plausible excuse. My perception of it has always been that she just wanted to die in general. I think her main objective was not to be forced into the housewife's role, even if the house was the House of Eorl. Aragorn was just the catalyst.

Hm, I dunno, maybe that's just the way I saw it...

Menelvagor · 04-18-2002, 10:22 PM

Ah, a quote to back me up...

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Aragorn: 'I left her desperate in Dunharrow and rode the Pathes of the Dead; and no fear upon that way was so present as the fear for what might befall her. And yet, Eomer, I say to you that she loves you more truely than me; for you she loves and knows; but in me she loves only a shadow and a thought: a hope of glory and great deeds, in lands far from the feilds of Rohan.'

TwirlingString · 04-18-2002, 11:30 PM

I don't think anyone ever MEANS to die for someone, it just happens.

Aragorn_iz_cool · 04-19-2002, 10:40 PM

OK You have a point there. But I bet Arwen only gave up her immortility and married King Elesser so she could be famous for thousands of years to come. And that way more people would admire her "great beuty".

04-16-2002, 08:42 PM	#42
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Eowyn! Mainly because Arwen had about zero part in the book, so it's hard to like her - not much personality. Plus I sympathize with Eowyn. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

04-16-2002, 08:49 PM	#44
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04-16-2002, 08:50 PM	#45
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	Why are you following me? __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

04-16-2002, 09:38 PM	#46
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	i would say Eowyn, because of a few things (shieldmaiden factor, sheer "there"-ness, and movie-Arwen), but Arwen is a really cool character. Compared to Arwen, Eowyn hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell. I mean, look at who her ancestors were, just on her father's mother's side! Luthien Tinuviel. Dior, Heir of Thingol. Melian the Maia. and a bloody Noldorian King, Elu Thingol! (previously known as Elwe). i'm not even going to go into the other side of her family (Galadriel, Finarfin..)! plus, Arwen is even more beautiful than the Lady Galadriel, and she is sometimes thought to be Luthien Tinuviel, the most beautiful woman ever to walk Arda, returned to life. And she gets to be Queen of Gondor and married to Aragorn. Eowyn? HA! I laugh...mwahahahaha!!! __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-16-2002, 09:54 PM	#47
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Yeah, but . . . I don't know, Arwen's just kind of boring. She has no presence, and no problems. I love Eowyn because she's so desperate and strong-willed. She's human (I mean in spirit, not in race), and so much easier to identify with. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

04-16-2002, 10:44 PM	#48
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	true FF. but what the heck, Arwen is under-represented on this thread I think. so yeah, Eowyn is cool, fiery slay-Ringwraith-y marry-Farawin-y Xena type gal. Arwen is ELVISH!!!!! mwahahahaha... __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-17-2002, 01:08 PM	#49
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	Elves are cool. But only when they have some interest factor. If they do nothing (as when They are dreaming- Mercedes Lackey reference) they are extremely boring. Why does everyone love the ears? Or is it just the idea of elves? __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

04-17-2002, 01:58 PM	#50
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Wait until you read the Disc World variant of elves. Uk, scary. __________________ We are not things.

04-17-2002, 08:04 PM	#52
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I know Arwen has an awesome ancestory, but doesn't matter to me. I can sympathise with Eowyn cause I would go out to battle like her and I know what it is like to be in love with a guy who doens't want you. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

04-17-2002, 11:57 PM	#53
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	What does the ancestory have to do with anything, it doesn't say anything about her. __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

04-18-2002, 06:04 PM	#54
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	It doesn't necessarily tell you anything but combine it with accounts of her and she is really nilda(sorry elvish). Arwen vanimelda Namárië (LoRI 367)

04-18-2002, 06:10 PM	#55
Bilbo Baggins Sapling Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 12	I would personally go for someone like Eowyn. Having said that, i am happy with who I have at the moment. __________________ Entmoot - Let your fires burn PabUK - Your source for amusement UK Pagan

04-18-2002, 08:44 PM	#56
Aragorn_iz_cool Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 119	Eowyn!!!! Duh. Proof! Book- 1.Ok well you guys all say arwen was going to give up her immotilty for aragorn. EOWYN WAS GOING TO DIE FOR HIM!!! NOT LIVE FOR ANOTHER 121 YEARS AND THEN DIE. INSTENTLY DIE. 2. Who styed at home wif her daddy? WHO RODE IN BATTLE AGENST THE #2 EVIL GUY, AND ALMOST KILLED HERSELF IN THE PROCESS. Movie- 1. ARWEN STOLE GLORFINDELS PART!!!!! GO GLORFINDEL!!! 2. WHAT IF ARWEN'S CLUMSY LITTLE HAND HAD SLIPPED AN THAT SWORD HAD KILLED ARAGORN?!! SHE HAS GOT TO BE MORE CAREFUL!!

04-18-2002, 11:30 PM	#59
TwirlingString Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: My mother would say somewhere between the adult mystery section and the YA sci-fi Posts: 489	I don't think anyone ever MEANS to die for someone, it just happens. __________________ "The Astels are an emotional people. They cry at the drop of a handkerchief. Their culture is much like that of Pelosia. They're extremely devot and invincibly backward. It's been demonstrated to them over an over that serfdom is an archaic, inefficent institution, but they maintain it anyway--largely at the connivance of the serfs thmselves. Astellian nobles don't exert themselves in any way, so they have no concept of human endurance. The serfs take advantage of that outrageously. Astellian serfs have been known to collapse from sheer exhauston at the very mention of such unpleasant words as 'reaping' or 'digging'." ----------------------------------------------- “They lost him?!” Lupin asked , amazed. “Voldemort has been after Harry for 15 years, and then he misplaces him?!”

04-19-2002, 10:40 PM	#60
Aragorn_iz_cool Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 119	OK You have a point there. But I bet Arwen only gave up her immortility and married King Elesser so she could be famous for thousands of years to come. And that way more people would admire her "great beuty".

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