Scenes PJ got right - Page 2

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Valandil
JD, sounds like you might be happier if you just skip the third... or are you planning to go anyway?

I was going to go - 12:01am of course - just like a frigging lemming.

Anyway - I need to be able to say what i like and don't like about the movie. I did actually come back from TT with some positive reviews - but that was mostly because Jackson hacked up FotR so much - my expectations couldn't have been more low. Anyway - have to see what major part Jackson completely screws up in RotK now.

Nazgul King Squirrel · 11-08-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
Everyone always complains that the "Flight to the Ford" with arwen was horrible, and there upset that Glorfindel was taken out. Think about this. If PJ kept Glorfindel and did the scene like the book, would you even appreciate it? Would you ever be gratefull that he did it, or just keep looking at the scenes he has changed. I am guessing some of us would just take the scene for grantite.

While I would have liked to see Glorfindel, it could have been substituted with little harm to the plot. The problem was the way PJ made further changes to that.

It was not necessary to have Aragorn surprised by Arwen. In fact, I thing if he had stick to the book there he could have managed easily a good scene, with more tension that the one on film. Neither was it necessary to have Arwen ride with Frodo. What for?

Super-elf faces the riders, so?

Having Arwen act as Glorfindel and temporarily partially healing Frodo, putting him on a horse, pursued by the black riders and letting him have his moment, despite the apparent impending doom, only to be saved by Gandalf and Elrond, well, that would have work better, much better.

As for Bilbo, I have enjoyed much that part.

Sheeana · 11-08-2003, 02:55 PM

Yes, JD really hates the movies... How many times did you go and watch Fellowship, JD?

hectorberlioz · 11-08-2003, 03:23 PM

I think all the bilbo in shire scenes were all very well done. I think that goes for most of the shire parts as well.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Sheeana
Yes, JD really hates the movies... How many times did you go and watch Fellowship, JD?

I went like 8 times trying to like the damn movie. I have always admitted that I had gone multiple times - it didn't mean I actually liked them. I really was trying to like them though. With Two Towers I gave up - I only saw twice.

thranduil · 11-08-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by hectorberlioz
I think all the bilbo in shire scenes were all very well done. I think that goes for most of the shire parts as well.

I would say that mostly goes for all of us. These parts really were well done. JD admit I bet you even liked these parts.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
I would say that mostly goes for all of us. These parts really were well done. JD admit I bet you even liked these parts.

I have never complained about those parts. Except when it came to Gandalf hitting his head oin the chandelier. I don't like Gandalf in the movies - but that doesn't really have anything to do with Biblo - even if they are in the same scene.

thranduil · 11-08-2003, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
I have never complained about those parts. Except when it came to Gandalf hitting his head oin the chandelier. I don't like Gandalf in the movies - but that doesn't really have anything to do with Biblo - even if they are in the same scene.

Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 11-08-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?

That wasn't in the book, but I see no problem with throwing in some humor in the movies as long as they don't get carried away with it like they did with Gimli.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
Oh don't tell me the chandelier scene was overdone too. Ha, was that too much action that wasn't in the book?

I had a problem with it because jackson portrayed Gandalf has a dottering old fool. Walking behind Saruman wimpering "Oh - please there is more time right?" - with Elrond talking down to him, with trying push the gates of moria inward when he KNEW they only opened outward (ha ha ha ha

) Then Gandalf's stupid a$$ facial expressions. Gandalf is another character jackson hacked and reduced down to a hollywood cliche.

By the way - with how many times Gandalf had been in Bag End - you would think he would have enough brains to remember that the chandelier was there. I was an Isatari.

thranduil · 11-08-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
I had a problem with it because jackson portrayed Gandalf has a dottering old fool. Walking behind Saruman wimpering "Oh - please there is more time right?"

I was an Isatari.

Really, How?

Saruman is head of the white council, it is not unreasonable that gandalf looked up too him and agreed with him. As for dottering old fool, I think you've gone off your rocker.

But apparently you can not enjoy any good old humor. Since I guess humor was not in the books.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by thranduil
Saruman is head of the white council, it is not unreasonable that gandalf looked up too him and agreed with him.

They were respectful toward each other - gandalf would not have been following behind Saruman begging for forgiveness.

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As for dottering old fool, I think you've gone off your rocker.

Why - when it was demostrated over and over again. His facial expressions, his hitting his head, him pushing the gate of moria inward, his wimpering behind saruman, his wimpering while talking to Elrond.

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But apparently you can not enjoy any good old humor. Since I guess humor was not in the books.

I can enjoy humor - and I have many stupid comedies - but makingcheap comic things was unnecessary in LotR. There were plenty of humor in the Lord of the Rings itself - without having to resort to cheap site gag stuff.

***Earniel*** · 11-08-2003, 05:51 PM

Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right.

Radagast The Brown · 11-08-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Eärniel
Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right.

I do agree with JD about most things in his first post. Elrond was horible, and Gandalf was an idiot, not becuase of the doors of Moria though, because I can guarantee 99% of the people who watched the movie didn't notice, and if noticed didn't know anyway (I didn't notice

). I think the scene with Boromir and Aragoern was unnecessary.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Eärniel
Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right.

That's because there isn't much to discuss when it comes to things Jackson got right.

***Earniel*** · 11-08-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
That's because there isn't much to discuss when it comes to things Jackson got right.

And there are already so much threads where you can discuss just that. But perhaps we can try to keep this thread for the good points, no? However rare you may find them.

As for that I think that Bilbo's birthday party looked rather well done. It looked cheerful and, well, hobbit-y IMO.

jerseydevil · 11-08-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Eärniel
As for that I think that Bilbo's birthday party looked rather well done. It looked cheerful and, well, hobbit-y IMO.

Okay - done. Thread can be closed - we discussed the one item Jackson got right.

He did screw it up with Merry and Pippin - the town idiots

Balrog_of_Morgoth · 11-09-2003, 01:57 AM

There are all kinds of small and large things that he has gotten right. Here are some of my favs off the top of my head:

Bilbo's party
Orthanc
How the ring itself is depicted
Balrog/Moria/Bridge of KD
Argonath/Falls of Rauros
Black Riders
Casting 90% excellent
Looking for King's Foil (up until Arwen arrived)
Weathertop (for the most part)

Balin's Tomb - just as I imagined it, even though the fight with the troll was different

Caradhras
Rohan

***Earniel*** · 11-09-2003, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Okay - done. Thread can be closed - we discussed the one item Jackson got right.

He did screw it up with Merry and Pippin - the town idiots

JD, you're impossible.

Elvengirl · 11-09-2003, 09:25 AM

I thought most of the extended scenes were good. They added a lot more accuracy to the story. The gift giving scene was very good, except for Sam's gift.
I thought the Moria/Balrog scene was awesome.
I loved the Shire/ birthday party scenes.
several others too

To me the good scenes outway the bad. The reason I like the movies is because in the scenes that are pretty accurate (maybe not 100%, but pretty close) I feel as if I am watching the books, I am seeing Middle Earth. It's awesome. Yes, there are scenes were I am just well...

, but I didn't expect them to be perfect. There is no way PJ can make up for some of the damage he has done. But there are scenes that were very well done and I appreciate seeing them. When watching them now I just skip the scenes I don't like and it's all good

11-08-2003, 03:23 PM	#24
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11-08-2003, 05:51 PM	#33
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Nehheh. A thread about the scenes that PJ supposedly got right and it's turned again in a debate on what he didn't get right. __________________ We are not things.

11-09-2003, 01:57 AM	#38
Balrog_of_Morgoth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Parkersburg WV Posts: 110	There are all kinds of small and large things that he has gotten right. Here are some of my favs off the top of my head: Bilbo's party Orthanc How the ring itself is depicted Balrog/Moria/Bridge of KD Argonath/Falls of Rauros Black Riders Casting 90% excellent Looking for King's Foil (up until Arwen arrived) Weathertop (for the most part) Balin's Tomb - just as I imagined it, even though the fight with the troll was different Caradhras Rohan __________________ Fingolfin: The Mighty Elven Lord who challenged Morgoth to single combat!

11-09-2003, 09:25 AM	#40
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	I thought most of the extended scenes were good. They added a lot more accuracy to the story. The gift giving scene was very good, except for Sam's gift. I thought the Moria/Balrog scene was awesome. I loved the Shire/ birthday party scenes. several others too To me the good scenes outway the bad. The reason I like the movies is because in the scenes that are pretty accurate (maybe not 100%, but pretty close) I feel as if I am watching the books, I am seeing Middle Earth. It's awesome. Yes, there are scenes were I am just well... , but I didn't expect them to be perfect. There is no way PJ can make up for some of the damage he has done. But there are scenes that were very well done and I appreciate seeing them. When watching them now I just skip the scenes I don't like and it's all good __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

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Sheeana Lord of the Pants Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,382	Yes, JD really hates the movies... How many times did you go and watch Fellowship, JD?