If you were a Númenórian... - Page 2

Anglorfin · 06-08-2003, 01:30 AM

LoL when reading that for some reason I picture an Elf like Elrond or Thingol standing like a little schoolboy and reciting it word for word like he rehearsed it 1000 times.

Ruinel · 06-08-2003, 03:02 PM

hmmm... I should have put more feeling into it. *sigh* Well... that was the best that I can do. I have no experience with being an Atan. Sorry.

genewyn · 07-22-2003, 04:03 PM

i'm just learning elvish, and i was wondering if anyone knows if there is a direct translation for :gentle, fair,expectant. i wrote a poem and i translated most of it except those three words.

***Fat middle*** · 07-27-2003, 02:05 PM

I suggest you go to the thread of Tolkien Languages in the Middle Earth forum and ask there.

Ruinel · 08-23-2003, 02:09 PM

Yes, Fat Middle is correct. Go to Middle Earth Forum, Tolkien's Languages thread and we, the Elves, and the Elf-friends will help you with your words there.

Elenna Alaniel · 08-24-2003, 04:24 PM

I'm not afraid of death so I guess I'd exceapt it.but I woun't stand against king (and Sauron) couse i don't wanna die if I don't really have to.and I woun't go to Aman.or I woun't do it now.who knows what would happend if i have lived there?

Elvellon · 08-29-2003, 02:43 PM

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If you'd accepted death, Illúvatar's Gift of Men, would you try to stop the Númenóreans from reaching Aman?

I believe they were past aid by then. Doing so would probably end with one being sacrificed in the temple of Morgoth, or worse, causing one’s loved ones being sent there.

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If you wanted to become immortal, would you yourself want to set your foot in Aman, rejecting the Ban of the Valar?

Due to my nature, scepticism, and love for History, I believe I would not be persuaded by Sauron’s promises and would leave the island in due haste, and wait some somewhere in Middle Earth. I mean, it is not as if the two earlier wars with Morgoth didn’t gave a clue that the Numenorians hadn’t a chance. Just think what the War of Wrath did to Beleriand…

Athelwinde · 09-03-2003, 12:14 PM

Answering to the question "If I were a Numenorean, what would I do, etc. I would try to hold on to the Old Ways, as the Faithful did, because I mean, if suddenly the Elves stopped coming to my shores, Sauron was held "captive" by the King, obviously something just isn't right. And if I saw the corruption of the King and his evil desire to go against the Ban and against basically Iluvatar himself, well, I'd hop on a ship with Elendil.

Durin1 · 09-10-2003, 07:51 AM

It is hard to criticise the Valar but I think that they made a grave mistake in extending the lives of the Numenoreans. Fair enough the Edain for their losses and troubles should have been given a reward of some sort, but my arguements are:

1. If a child is given some sweets from their parents, they will never be satisfied and will want more.
2. Men being mortal had learned to accept their fate. By prolonging the inevitable would have been against their make up. Therefore a "superhuman" society was created.
3. An arrogance and natural superiority complex was developed amongst these Numenoreans which, again, would have been an inevitable consequence.
4. From banning them to sail into the West, would have further induced the Numenoreans to rebel.

In short, I believe that it would have been better if the Edain had stayed in their own natural homelands (ME).

The Valar should have learnt from their past mistakes and thought about the bigger picture.

06-08-2003, 01:30 AM	#21
Anglorfin Alasailon Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: college Posts: 861	LoL when reading that for some reason I picture an Elf like Elrond or Thingol standing like a little schoolboy and reciting it word for word like he rehearsed it 1000 times. __________________ "and then this hobbit was walking, and then this elf jumped out of a bush and totally flipped out on him while wailing on his guitar." "Anglorfin was tall and straight; his hair was of shining gold, his face fair and young and fearless and full of anger; his eyes were bright and keen, and his voice like music; on his brow sat wisdom, and in his hand was great skill."

07-22-2003, 04:03 PM	#23
genewyn Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 9	elvish i'm just learning elvish, and i was wondering if anyone knows if there is a direct translation for :gentle, fair,expectant. i wrote a poem and i translated most of it except those three words.

07-27-2003, 02:05 PM	#24
*Fat middle* Mootis per forum Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Spain Posts: 61,439	I suggest you go to the thread of Tolkien Languages in the Middle Earth forum and ask there. __________________ Do not be hasty. That is my motto. Now we'll have a drink and go to the Entmoot.

08-24-2003, 04:24 PM	#26
Elenna Alaniel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dorthonion Posts: 21	I'm not afraid of death so I guess I'd exceapt it.but I woun't stand against king (and Sauron) couse i don't wanna die if I don't really have to.and I woun't go to Aman.or I woun't do it now.who knows what would happend if i have lived there? __________________ Even the smallest person can change the course of the future.

09-03-2003, 12:14 PM	#28
Athelwinde Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere... Posts: 15	Answer Answering to the question "If I were a Numenorean, what would I do, etc. I would try to hold on to the Old Ways, as the Faithful did, because I mean, if suddenly the Elves stopped coming to my shores, Sauron was held "captive" by the King, obviously something just isn't right. And if I saw the corruption of the King and his evil desire to go against the Ban and against basically Iluvatar himself, well, I'd hop on a ship with Elendil.

06-08-2003, 03:02 PM	#22
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	hmmm... I should have put more feeling into it. sigh Well... that was the best that I can do. I have no experience with being an Atan. Sorry.

08-23-2003, 02:09 PM	#25
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Yes, Fat Middle is correct. Go to Middle Earth Forum, Tolkien's Languages thread and we, the Elves, and the Elf-friends will help you with your words there.

09-10-2003, 07:51 AM	#29
Durin1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 221	It is hard to criticise the Valar but I think that they made a grave mistake in extending the lives of the Numenoreans. Fair enough the Edain for their losses and troubles should have been given a reward of some sort, but my arguements are: 1. If a child is given some sweets from their parents, they will never be satisfied and will want more. 2. Men being mortal had learned to accept their fate. By prolonging the inevitable would have been against their make up. Therefore a "superhuman" society was created. 3. An arrogance and natural superiority complex was developed amongst these Numenoreans which, again, would have been an inevitable consequence. 4. From banning them to sail into the West, would have further induced the Numenoreans to rebel. In short, I believe that it would have been better if the Edain had stayed in their own natural homelands (ME). The Valar should have learnt from their past mistakes and thought about the bigger picture. __________________ Durin the Sleepless!