Finrod and Amarie - Page 2

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 02-15-2003, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Utumno
Where can I read about his theory?

http://www.suite101.com/

Imladrien · 02-22-2003, 08:35 PM

I believe that Galadriel was really asking "Why isn't Amarie here? Why aren't the two of you married?" rather than the interpretation that has been given here. --Imladrien

Ruinel · 03-01-2003, 03:39 PM

Finrod loved Amarie, so the Silmarillion says. But it doesn't say that she loved him back. It only says that "she went not with him into exile." It doesn't say she wasn't permitted to go, just that she didn't go. I think that if she truely loved Finrod, she would have gone with him anywhere, even into exile, no matter what.

Oh, I know I would have followed Finrod anywhere, in a pinch!

Can anyone give me some suggestions. I would like to start buying the HoME books, but I'm not sure what is in each one or which I should buy first. Should I buy them and read them in order? Are there any that you feel are more valuable to the history than others? Are there any which contain the best of stories?

Ruinel · 03-01-2003, 03:45 PM

I also do not believe that Gildor Inglorion "of the House of Finrod" is Finrod's son (from FotR). Otherwise he would have said... "son of Finrod" or "son of (whomever), son of Finrod". I think he was either in a position in the house of Finrod of confidence, or he offered his service to the House of Finrod. But I don't believe him to be the son or grandson of Finrod.

Artanis · 03-01-2003, 03:58 PM

I like Imladrien's explanation.

markedel · 03-01-2003, 07:59 PM

It could be that Finrod's remarks arose unbidden-elvish foresight, not an ordinary thought at all. That would explain the dissonance.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by markedel
It could be that Finrod's remarks arose unbidden-elvish foresight, not an ordinary thought at all. That would explain the dissonance.

The Sil does say that "foresight came upon Felagund as she spoke, and he said: 'An oath I too shall swear, and must be free to fulfil it, and go into darkness. Nor shall anything of my realm endure that a son should inherit.'"

I think he wanted to be free to fight the evil of ME unbridled by his thoughts of another. Or being hindered by feeling he must protect another (child or wife). And he also knew (foresight) the perils he would be up against as well as his realm in Nargothrond (destroyed by Glaurung). Although I suppose it was more a feeling of dread and not an actual vision of the future.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
Finrod loved Amarie, so the Silmarillion says. But it doesn't say that she loved him back. It only says that "she went not with him into exile." It doesn't say she wasn't permitted to go, just that she didn't go. I think that if she truely loved Finrod, she would have gone with him anywhere, even into exile, no matter what.

Well, she did love him back, because in the HoMe they were married after his release from Mandos. The HoMe also says that she was not permitted to go into exile with him.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Well, she did love him back, because in the HoMe they were married after his release from Mandos. The HoMe also says that she was not permitted to go into exile with him.

Dang! I have got to get these books. Can you recommend which ones I should pick up first. That is, if I do not have to read them in order 1 through 12, then which ones are worth getting and reading first.

Falagar · 03-02-2003, 03:41 PM

I bet most here would reccomend HoME 10, Morgoth's Ring. So do I

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 03:51 PM

Yeah, it depends on where your interests lie in the mytho. The HoMe do not have to be read in order, because they are not like a story. The first books I bought were the last three volumes: Morgoth's Ring (10) The War of the Jewels (11) and: The Peoples of Middle-earth (12) These were of the greatest interest to me because 10 and 11 are the Later Quenta Silmarillion. I own none of the books related to LotRs. I should get them though, just so I can keep up the discussion with those that do have them.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Yeah, it depends on where your interests lie in the mytho. The HoMe do not have to be read in order, because they are not like a story. The first books I bought were the last three volumes: Morgoth's Ring (10) The War of the Jewels (11) and: The Peoples of Middle-earth (12) These were of the greatest interest to me because 10 and 11 are the Later Quenta Silmarillion. I own none of the books related to LotRs. I should get them though, just so I can keep up the discussion with those that do have them.

I think someone once told me that one of the books has traditions of the peoples of ME. Sounds like that would be in the 12th book you are mentioning here. I'm going to order them now.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I think someone once told me that one of the books has traditions of the peoples of ME. Sounds like that would be in the 12th book you are mentioning here. I'm going to order them now.

Along these lines, another great read is "Laws and Customs of the Eldar," in Morgoth's Ring, vol. 10.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Along these lines, another great read is "Laws and Customs of the Eldar," in Morgoth's Ring, vol. 10.

Now that you mention it. I think this person was talking about Morgoth's Ring, as you say here.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 04:37 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Along these lines, another great read is "Laws and Customs of the Eldar," in Morgoth's Ring, vol. 10.

I just bought all three. They'll be here in a week. Thanks for the recommendation.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I just bought all three. They'll be here in a week. Thanks for the recommendation.

You're welcome, and I don't think you will be disappointed with your choices, especially Morgoth's ring. When you get it read "Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth." If you like Finrod, you will love this story. It will make you cry.

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
You're welcome, and I don't think you will be disappointed with your choices, especially Morgoth's ring. When you get it read "Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth." If you like Finrod, you will love this story. It will make you cry.

I definitely "like" Finrod Felegund, the best Elf that ever was created by JRR Tolkien. He who makes all other elves (especially Legolas Greenleaf of Mirkwood) look like a bunch of pansies. If you were going to "like" an elf in any of these stories, Finrod would be the one.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 05:18 PM

You're telling me?

Ruinel · 03-02-2003, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
You're telling me?

I get the impression you may fancy the Elf yourself.

Could this be?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 03-02-2003, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I get the impression you may fancy the Elf yourself. Could this be?

Geez Ruinel, you just haven't been around here long enough. Everyone here knows how I feel about King Finrod. Too bad he's not real.

03-01-2003, 03:58 PM	#25
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	I like Imladrien's explanation. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

03-01-2003, 07:59 PM	#26
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	It could be that Finrod's remarks arose unbidden-elvish foresight, not an ordinary thought at all. That would explain the dissonance. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-02-2003, 03:41 PM	#30
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I bet most here would reccomend HoME 10, Morgoth's Ring. So do I __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

03-02-2003, 03:51 PM	#31
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Yeah, it depends on where your interests lie in the mytho. The HoMe do not have to be read in order, because they are not like a story. The first books I bought were the last three volumes: Morgoth's Ring (10) The War of the Jewels (11) and: The Peoples of Middle-earth (12) These were of the greatest interest to me because 10 and 11 are the Later Quenta Silmarillion. I own none of the books related to LotRs. I should get them though, just so I can keep up the discussion with those that do have them. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

03-02-2003, 05:18 PM	#38
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	You're telling me? __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

02-22-2003, 08:35 PM	#22
Imladrien Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3	I believe that Galadriel was really asking "Why isn't Amarie here? Why aren't the two of you married?" rather than the interpretation that has been given here. --Imladrien

03-01-2003, 03:39 PM	#23
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	Finrod loved Amarie, so the Silmarillion says. But it doesn't say that she loved him back. It only says that "she went not with him into exile." It doesn't say she wasn't permitted to go, just that she didn't go. I think that if she truely loved Finrod, she would have gone with him anywhere, even into exile, no matter what. Oh, I know I would have followed Finrod anywhere, in a pinch! Can anyone give me some suggestions. I would like to start buying the HoME books, but I'm not sure what is in each one or which I should buy first. Should I buy them and read them in order? Are there any that you feel are more valuable to the history than others? Are there any which contain the best of stories?

03-01-2003, 03:45 PM	#24
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	I also do not believe that Gildor Inglorion "of the House of Finrod" is Finrod's son (from FotR). Otherwise he would have said... "son of Finrod" or "son of (whomever), son of Finrod". I think he was either in a position in the house of Finrod of confidence, or he offered his service to the House of Finrod. But I don't believe him to be the son or grandson of Finrod.

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