Victimless crimes

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Khamûl
And I think that we have statutory rape or something where if someone who is not a minor has sex with a minor they can be arrested.

We have that one as well. Although, its a little bit more reasonable. However, like anything, it can be easily abused. Is it really stat rape when a 17 year old boy sleeps with his 15 year old girlfriend?

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by BeardofPants


We have that one as well. Although, its a little bit more reasonable. However, like anything, it can be easily abused. Is it really stat rape when a 17 year old boy sleeps with his 15 year old girlfriend?

Technically, yes. But I can understand the law if you had a 45 year old sleeping with a 16 year old. In those cases, it's there to protect the minor.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Khamûl
Technically, yes.

That was a rhetorical question!

But I can understand the law if you had a 45 year old sleeping with a 16 year old. In those cases, it's there to protect the minor.

And this is what I meant by being abused. Yes. That case is wrong. But some parents try to enforce it when their darling little girl has been sleeping with her boyfriend... who is, oftentimes only a couple of years older than her.

[Khamûl]

Originally posted by BeardofPants

That was a rhetorical question!

Sorry. Just couldn't resist.

[galadriel88]

And this is what I meant by being abused. Yes. That case is wrong. But some parents try to enforce it when their darling little girl has been sleeping with her boyfriend... who is, oftentimes only a couple of years older than her.

Yeah, if the parents don't want their kid to have premarital sex, they shouldn't abuse government laws to enforce that. That's just running away from responsibility! They should enforce it themselves, as parents. Parents have a God - given right of being the authority over their children, and they have a duty to raise their kids as best they can.

[StrawberryIcecream]

IN England, there is no legal age for males. They can do it whenever thry want as long as its witha female 16 or over.

That i find unfair, sexist and stupid.

I dont think that law khamul, is rape really!I mean i classify rape as when one of the people involved makes clear that they do not want to sleep with the other parties and yet it goes ahead.

Afro-Elf, youstarted this thread, what are your viewS?

[afro-elf]

Afro-Elf, youstarted this thread, what are your viewS

Take a stab in the dark and let's see how close you get.

[StrawberryIcecream]

hmmmm.........i reckon judging from your responses so far that you think they are ok as long as no one is directly hurt as a result.

[afro-elf]

On target.

[Wayfarer]

But that raises another question, strawberry. Are things that directly hurt people so much worse than indirectly hurt people?

I could take this to extremes- Hitler, Stalin, and their ilk didn't, directly murder thousands of people, but that doesn't let them off the hook.

A better example: if sexually transmitted diseases are significantly more widespread and common among homosexuals, than prolonged homosexual behavior will eventually be harmful. It's certainly not directly harming anyone-but does that make a difference?

Sexual activity among minors is in much the same boat. Young people are immature, but of course they-we ]: )-don't like to admit it. But simple obsevation hast taught me that a great deal of pain and suffering is the usual result-in most cases, both partners suffer.

What seems to be a recurring theme here is that the law is attempting to protect us from ourselves. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that we're our own worst enemies.

So what do we say- do we allow self destructive behavior, or do we take steps to prevent it?

I think I know the answer already. Attempted suicides, and self abuse, are treated as rather sever disorders. But of course, those are things that are clearly, and directly self destructive.

Of course, there will always be the argument that a particular behavior is not self destructive. In fact I've got an inkling that some of you reading this might think so. But that really doesn't bother me.

Why? Because that's what they said about smoking for decades, and even though we allow it, we're well aware that it's severly unhealthy. They say it about methanphetamine, and MDMA, even though they can kill you. And the same argument has been made over and over about things which we now acknowledge are harmful. I don't buy it.

And so is pose a final question: do we treat these harmful behaviors like smoking and drinking, and allow them to continue despite the pain they cause? Or do we take steps to curb them?

Think about it.

[afro-elf]

We're talking about consenual crimes here.

so hilter etc. do not count

as for the homo thing lesbians have the lowest incident of aids and std's. aids in no longer a gay disease and has not been for a LONG time. Outside of aids are gay males spreaders of other STD's more than other people?

sexual activies among adults is not without myriad problems

What seems to be a recurring theme here is that the law is attempting to protect us from ourselves. And I don't think it's a stretch to say that we're our own worst enemies

paying for( safe) sex is a lot safer than tabacco and alcohol. and a lot more fun.

more people die and have problems from and cost us a lot more money from the problems of tobacco and alcohol than prostitution, narcs, porn combined

if a person knows the risk invovled its his or her person

if someone likes S&M let'em go for it will a willing partner

[BeardofPants]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, BUT I wasn't aware the S & M was a crime.

[Lizra]

oh yes! They punish you with whips and chains!

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by Lizra
oh yes! They punish you with whips and chains!

<groan>

Let me tell you about my grotty gym tee shirt woes sometime...! Lets just say that the slogan reads: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!"

[StrawberryIcecream]

I WANT ONE! *runs off to tshirt printer*


This is ahard question.hmmmmm.....

[Human#3.141592653]

Well, I apprear to be the question hath evoled to "When does a crime have a victim? When do you reach that point of sadism too preverse, masochism too self destructive?"

I'm 16 years and horny as all heck pretty much most of the time. However, I am not in a hurry to "pop my cherry" any time soon. I want to find the right one (Male or female.) I know many males are encouraged to lose it as quick as they possibly can, adn thus "become a man." I had a boyfriend who was all to eeger and I dumped him because of this. However, self esteeem is a big problem among teen agers in genral. We did a pole in school one time about this girl adn this boy and the boy almost rapes her but then doesn't and comes back to school the net day and says: "I'm sorry, I'll never do it again, please take me back." Then there's the question of what would you do? Of corse, the students don't ever find out the ratios but I...hee hee have an inquitive mind. I was shocked at the numbers of girls who would have taken him back, and even still shocked at teh number of girls who would have claimed that it wasn't rape.

BOP, I've seen your shirt before!

[StrawberryIcecream]

That's just sad. I'm sorry to offend your friends but my goodness! You'd have to be pretty desperate to take back a man that nearly raped you!

If any man EVER does that to me, i would make sure he got put away for it. ANother thing, is a victimless crime say say like a girl in humans words 'popping her cherry' before 16? Presuming she didnt get pregnant or catch any std's? Is that ok then? or is it still a crime?

[Wayfarer]

You still (seem to) assume that only direct, physical harm counts.

After all, in a society where causing 'undue emotional distress' is considered a crime, isn't it sort of stupid to let people cause themselves to suffer?

Hence, since minors tend to be immature (as well as hormone-crazed), they're more likely to get themselves into emotionally painful situations. They are also easier to take advantage of, hence the laws on statutory rape.

Homosexuals tend to be much more promiscuous and more likely to have multiple relationships than heterosexuals. Aside from making sexually transmitted diseases more likely (which means that yes, Aelf, they are more likely to sprad diseases), this also tends to lead to unhealthy relationships and emotional.

The vast majority of prostitutes in the world are badly mistreated. Even well-paid, comfortable whores are dehumanized and treated as objects.

I know several young people who have permanent brain damage from narcotics use, and many others who have screwed themseloves up in less dramatic ways. Narcotics use kills people.

Pornography tends to result in ab inability to form meaningful relationships, and tends to foster unhelthy attitudes towards the opposite sex.

The practices which you defend are not harmless. They are unhealthy and dangerous. They are victimless crimes only in the sense that everyone suffers equally, and they should not to be let slide.

[afro-elf]

What kinda bull is this.

Homosexuals tend to be much more promiscuous and more likely to have multiple relationships than heterosexuals. Aside from making sexually transmitted diseases more likely (which means that yes, Aelf, they are more likely to sprad diseases), this also tends to lead to unhealthy relationships and emotional.

Why do you assume this? The number of HETERO aids victims and HETERO with std FAR out strips those of gays. I am aware of many gays are are in happy relationship that don't fool around and some happy single gays.

I know some heteros who will and do sleep with anyone.

I know several young people who have permanent brain damage from narcotics use, and many others who have screwed themseloves up in less dramatic ways. Narcotics use kills people.

There is still more damage health and cost wise from Tobacco and Alcohol than all narcotics combined. Also for myself I never advocated narcotics.

Pornography tends to result in ab inability to form meaningful relationships, and tends to foster unhelthy attitudes towards the opposite sex.

More bull. You are just spouting the standard convervative line on porn. There is NO dearth of porn available. The people who have unhealthy attitudes towards the opposite sex are mostly to be "unhealthy" themselves in the first place.

The vast majority of prostitutes in the world are badly mistreated. Even well-paid, comfortable whores are dehumanized and treated as objects.

Hate to burst your bubble but women throughout the world are treated that way. The same guy who would abuse a prostitute is likely to be the same guy who would do that any woman.


You take the extreme and confuse it with the norm.

[afro-elf]

The vast majority of prostitutes in the world are badly mistreated. Even well-paid, comfortable whores are dehumanized and treated as objects

Hell to think of it most people in the 3rd world are men, women, and children are

I also my point is not to condone the extremes but soley tom point out that
a) the extreme is not the norm
b) people are likely to dehumanized "in various degrees" anywhere