The TRUE meaning of Bilbo - Page 2

Duddun · 12-05-2002, 10:55 AM

hmmmm...Interesting point. I don't think he did but he might of. Maybe for The Hobbit he did, and then for LotR he didn't. I don't know.

Utúllelyo · 12-05-2002, 05:31 PM

I believe in a way Tolkien did do these things on purpose. At least some of them anyway. Im not sure about Bilbo, but i believe Frodo means "Wise through experience" and if thats coincidental than im a toad.

Duddun · 12-06-2002, 09:53 PM

I don't think your a toad cause I understood you.

Too bad tho. I always wanted to be a toad. It probably wasn't coincidental.

SamwiseGamgeeOTS · 12-25-2002, 07:38 PM

i've read a lotta Shakespear and never picked up on that....wow.

Ma Uai: Ua Nemti · 12-26-2002, 12:38 AM

I seem to remember reading somewhere that many authors get inspirations for character names from their friends or from things they've read. I also remeber reading that Tolkien was very much inspired by Norse mythology. Call me crazy...........no really.........call me crazy.

L@ur@y Elven Warrior · 01-01-2003, 05:35 PM

Thats a cool meaning of a name.

WallRocker · 01-02-2003, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer

Now do you want to tell us the meaning of the word Orc?

You were being sarcastic, right? doesn't Orc mean 'demon' and Tolkien wanted it to be change to 'Ork'?

Eothain · 01-06-2003, 12:18 PM

Wayfarer · 01-08-2003, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
So speaketh the guy who has a girly name...

I once lived near a chick who had the same first and last names as me. Getting her mail was pretty annoying.

Actually, my name is anything but meaningless. It's a derivation of the celtic Seanan (Seanen is the spelling which I prefer) the short definition of which is 'wise one'. ]: ) In sindarin I would be Ersaeliphant.

And my siblings are Swift Wind, On Edge, and Listens Well.

The thing is, while most names are rich in meaning, you have to dig a little. The names give for hobbits are even more so than usual.

Samwise, for example comes from the westron name meaning 'half wise'-which is similar to what samwise means.
Frodo/maura likewise.

Perhaps the most interesting hobbit name is merry, who in westron was called 'kali'-which means 'merry' in westron but something entirely different in hindi.

***Rían*** · 01-08-2003, 08:24 PM

** hey Wayfarer, could you please clean out your PM mailbox - I wanted to PM you something

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BeardofPants · 01-09-2003, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
It's a derivation of the celtic Seanan (Seanen is the spelling which I prefer) the short definition of which is 'wise one'. ]: )

'Wise-ass' is more appropriate.

Agburanar · 01-10-2003, 06:24 AM

Quote:

"Can you tell us the meaning of 'orc'?"

Orcs were originally a type of daemon, Swedish I believe. Tolkien was originally going to call them goblins but changed the name to orcs because it sounded less comic and more evil.

Wayfarer · 01-10-2003, 08:38 PM

I know, Aganburur,

I was trying to make a point. ]: )

When I was very young, I made the mistake of assuming that the dictionary definition was the same as the tolkien definition, and got into an argument about it. Allow me to subtly hint that we should all be careful where we get our information.

Pimpernel · 01-12-2003, 08:46 PM

I haven't read much Shakespeare or any other big old important book things (well I am trying to read The Brothers Karamozov but I don't think that counts here), that makes sense. The whole thing about Frodo's name is cool. Has anyone read Norse mythology? I'm interested in all mythology but never read Norse. I did know that Tolkien based a lot of the stuff in his books on it. And that he wanted to write a myth for England (seeing as Norse peoples are kind of from around England, that would make much sense). Though its sad because LotR isn't really England's myth, its like the fantasy book of the world. Its sort of England's myth though, because I think Tolkien when I hear "England" (well, I think Tolkien or LotR when I hear anything but that is NOT the point I'm trying to make). It looks kind of like I'm rambling now, Maybe I shoulf stop. I will stop. Now. I will stop now!
(disregard those last few sentences please)

Wayfarer · 01-12-2003, 11:42 PM

http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&threadid=3899

***azalea*** · 01-12-2003, 11:48 PM

Ha ha, I just merged the threads, so now your post makes no sense!

*dances w/ glee at rendering something nonsensical*

(I hope no one minds that I did that. Just flexing the new mod muscles

)

Wayfarer · 01-13-2003, 12:17 AM

*/staffbaps Azalea.

***azalea*** · 01-13-2003, 12:21 AM

Hey!

Agburanar · 01-13-2003, 09:28 AM

Did you know there was a mythical beast called a Valgrob or something? A beast of fire no less... But this one was supposed to guard against evil spirits.

12-05-2002, 10:55 AM	#21
Duddun I Antha Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: You expect ME to know? Posts: 784	hmmmm...Interesting point. I don't think he did but he might of. Maybe for The Hobbit he did, and then for LotR he didn't. I don't know. __________________ If you say my name I go "What?" If you say my name twice I go and look it up in the dictionary. **************************** I'm Not Evil! ************************** If the critics say it's good, is it really That good? ************************** It's a bird! It's a plane! No! It's a balloon! **************************** Duddun, Son of Bubbun

12-05-2002, 05:31 PM	#22
Utúllelyo Sapling Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 13	I believe in a way Tolkien did do these things on purpose. At least some of them anyway. Im not sure about Bilbo, but i believe Frodo means "Wise through experience" and if thats coincidental than im a toad. __________________ -Utúlio- "Long slopes they climbed, dark, hard-edged against the sky already red with sunset. They passed away, grey shadows in a stony land"

12-06-2002, 09:53 PM	#23
Duddun I Antha Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: You expect ME to know? Posts: 784	I don't think your a toad cause I understood you. Too bad tho. I always wanted to be a toad. It probably wasn't coincidental. __________________ If you say my name I go "What?" If you say my name twice I go and look it up in the dictionary. **************************** I'm Not Evil! ************************** If the critics say it's good, is it really That good? ************************** It's a bird! It's a plane! No! It's a balloon! **************************** Duddun, Son of Bubbun

12-25-2002, 07:38 PM	#24
SamwiseGamgeeOTS Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A quaint little hole which last time I checked was somewhere near Ohio, Middle-Earth. Posts: 165	i've read a lotta Shakespear and never picked up on that....wow. __________________ "...Eragon recoiled in shock. Standing in front of him, licking off the membrane that encased it, was a dragon."

12-26-2002, 12:38 AM	#25
Ma Uai: Ua Nemti Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: We'd tell you but you're all out to get us. Posts: 215	I seem to remember reading somewhere that many authors get inspirations for character names from their friends or from things they've read. I also remeber reading that Tolkien was very much inspired by Norse mythology. Call me crazy...........no really.........call me crazy. __________________ Pharoah "Vires decusque."

01-01-2003, 05:35 PM	#26
L@ur@y Elven Warrior Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Halkirk Posts: 208	Thats a cool meaning of a name.

01-06-2003, 12:18 PM	#28
Eothain Enting Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 73	LOTR wow __________________ Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpsting, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harvest and the tall corn growing? They have past like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning? Frodo lives

01-08-2003, 08:24 PM	#30
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	hey Wayfarer, could you please clean out your PM mailbox - I wanted to PM you something __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

01-10-2003, 08:38 PM	#33
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I know, Aganburur, I was trying to make a point. ]: ) When I was very young, I made the mistake of assuming that the dictionary definition was the same as the tolkien definition, and got into an argument about it. Allow me to subtly hint that we should all be careful where we get our information. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-12-2003, 08:46 PM	#34
Pimpernel Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: small town in NY...not where I wanna be.. Posts: 57	I haven't read much Shakespeare or any other big old important book things (well I am trying to read The Brothers Karamozov but I don't think that counts here), that makes sense. The whole thing about Frodo's name is cool. Has anyone read Norse mythology? I'm interested in all mythology but never read Norse. I did know that Tolkien based a lot of the stuff in his books on it. And that he wanted to write a myth for England (seeing as Norse peoples are kind of from around England, that would make much sense). Though its sad because LotR isn't really England's myth, its like the fantasy book of the world. Its sort of England's myth though, because I think Tolkien when I hear "England" (well, I think Tolkien or LotR when I hear anything but that is NOT the point I'm trying to make). It looks kind of like I'm rambling now, Maybe I shoulf stop. I will stop. Now. I will stop now! (disregard those last few sentences please) __________________ And this is what I have said, so you shall shut up if you are opposed for I am Iluvatar and you must obey me..for I know all that is, was, and will be and you don't!! HAH just kidding, I only wish I was Eru...power is good..except I would get corrupted so know...and why am I writing all of this randomness that's popping into my head that you don't give a rat's tail about.....??

01-12-2003, 11:42 PM	#35
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	*/Whistles Innocently http://entmoot.tolkientrail.com/show...&threadid=3899 __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-12-2003, 11:48 PM	#36
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Ha ha, I just merged the threads, so now your post makes no sense! dances w/ glee at rendering something nonsensical (I hope no one minds that I did that. Just flexing the new mod muscles )

01-13-2003, 12:17 AM	#37
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	*/staffbaps Azalea. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-13-2003, 12:21 AM	#38
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Hey!

01-13-2003, 09:28 AM	#39
Agburanar Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dorset Posts: 608	Did you know there was a mythical beast called a Valgrob or something? A beast of fire no less... But this one was supposed to guard against evil spirits. __________________ I would wish, were it to any avail, that the LORD OF THE RINGS FILMS had never been wrought. ROLLING STOCK, WE'RE ROLLING STOCK!!

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