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CardenIAntauraNauco · 01-05-2002, 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by Thorongil
Find out about the Isari in Unfinished Tales

Really? I thought I heard that. Thank you very much. I'll pick that up. Does it have anything about Radagast?

KGamgee · 01-07-2002, 01:56 PM

Really? There's a real Shire?
Those people are probably made fun of a lot. Imagine going up to someone and saying, "Hi. I'm from the Shire." They would think that you needed some help of they knew about LOTR.

I would like to know what happened to Frodo, Bilbo, and Sam after they left the Havens.

andustar · 01-11-2002, 09:38 AM

Carden- it's mostly Gandalf and Saruman, but it does mention him. It has a conversation between the Valar over who to send! I was so happy when I found that. Read it.

As you've guessed, Thorongil, I've read it already

When I said more about the Istari, I really meant MORE

Although I haven't read all the HoME books, or Letters.

Nenya · 01-12-2002, 11:42 AM

Like everyone else, I want to know what happens once Frodo and Bilbo get to the Grey Havens. I also want to know what became of the sons of Elrond. If I have interpreted what I have read correctly, then they had the same choice as Arwen; to go to the Havens with Elrond, or remain on Middle Earth and become mortal. It does not specifically mention them in the Grey Havens chapter (only "Gildor and many fair elven folk"), but neither is there any mention in the appendices of anything they may have done afterwards if they had remained on middle Earth. Can anyone shed any light on this?

afro-elf · 01-12-2002, 12:44 PM

Nenya there is mention of them in the appendices.

They stayed in Rivendell. Celeborn even joined them for awhile.

Nenya · 01-12-2002, 06:53 PM

Yeah, I know, I found that about half an hour after I posted...how stupid do I feel now?

Aragorn · 01-12-2002, 07:00 PM

I would, like others, like to know what happened to Frodo and Bilbo and the others journeying to the Grey Havens. I also would like to know about the changes Aragorn made in Gondor.

bropous · 01-13-2002, 01:07 AM

Uh, you know, the appendices ARE there for additional information, folks. Try the info on the Fourth Age, Aragorn. Tells you exactly what Aragorn did as King Elessar of Gondor, and about his final passing, as well as that of Arwen. Also covers how Pippin became the head Took, and of Merry's rise in the community, as well as Samwise's descendants founding and settling the Westmarch.

As to wanting to know what happened when Bilbo and Frodo got to the Grey Havens, didn't you folks read the last chapter in the book? They got on the boat and sailed to the Undying Lands in Eldamar. Then Sam, Merry and Pippin rode home together wordlessly, Sam came in the door at Bag End, sat down in his chair, Rosie had dinner all ready, set Elanor in his lap, and he said, "Well, I'm back."

Maybe some are confusing Cirdan's Grey Havens for Eldamar.

Legolas_BowKing · 01-27-2002, 03:02 AM

I would want to learn more about Legolas and Gimli there past were they came from and what they did in there daily lives before the ring had ever been heard of.
Also more feamales dosent it seem just a little bit weird that there are only 3 feamales throughout the whole book. I wouldnt like a romance as such but im sure that maybe they could have a little more of a role toward's the evil in the world.

Radagast · 01-27-2002, 06:53 AM

Read about me, folks! I'm just fascinating!

eowyn144 · 02-08-2002, 04:53 PM

i'd like 2 know all of the stuff everyone else has said. also if the ents ever found their entwives. i think that would be very interesting. by the way- is it advised that i should read The Histrory of Middle Earth?is it easier or harder than the silmarillion?

strider8 · 04-04-2005, 02:34 PM

i would put put in a chapter about the first age,it would probably be about the battle of the dead marches.

CrazySquirrel · 04-05-2005, 01:17 PM

I would have deleted the Ent stuff. And all the hobbit geneology etc.Dull it seems to me. Instead I would have put more bad guys POV.

Jon S. · 04-05-2005, 10:38 PM

I wouldn't delete a thing but I agree on more about the bad guys. I would like to understand how the events of the time looked to Sauron and his Wringraiths/Leutenants' from their points of view.

I also, in retrospect and now that I'm thinking about it, regret how the bad guys were made to be so utterly and incorrigibly evil. Think about it. The good guys aren't perfectly good, there's an evil wizard, corrupt men, and in the Simarillion, at least, elves that misbehave pretty badly, too.

What I'm trying to say is perhaps the Prof. could have made the bad guys less than completely one-dimensional.

And now that I've shot my reputation here completely to hell ...

Gordis · 04-06-2005, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon S.

I wouldn't delete a thing but I agree on more about the bad guys. I would like to understand how the events of the time looked to Sauron and his Wringraiths/Leutenants' from their points of view..
one-dimensional.

Don't worry about your reputation.
I read somewhere, perhaps in Tolkien's Letters(?), that he himself FELT like a hobbit. As for me, I never feel that way. And I guess few of the modern man feel that way. Or am I wrong?
Hobbits and people with hobbit POV are not at all interested in evil. For them it is something remote and pretty one-dimentional.

But I think that a tread aiming to reconstruct evil guys POV at different points in LOTR would be quite interesting.

Manveru · 04-06-2005, 09:22 PM

i love lotr just the way it is. part of what is great about it is that we dont know everything. there is whole parts of the mythology he only touches on. if he explained everything in detail we probably wouldnt be here arguing if balrogs had wings or what the 2 blue wizards actually accomplished. i once read an essay or something on lotr that said this was one of the best things about it. it said something about "we always want to go on and explore the parts of the map where no characters go, the parts marked 'here be dragons'"

01-11-2002, 09:38 AM	#23
andustar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: London Posts: 217	Carden- it's mostly Gandalf and Saruman, but it does mention him. It has a conversation between the Valar over who to send! I was so happy when I found that. Read it. As you've guessed, Thorongil, I've read it already When I said more about the Istari, I really meant MORE Although I haven't read all the HoME books, or Letters. __________________ ~ andustar/shani

01-12-2002, 12:44 PM	#25
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Nenya there is mention of them in the appendices. They stayed in Rivendell. Celeborn even joined them for awhile. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

01-12-2002, 07:00 PM	#27
Aragorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere but where I should be. Posts: 369	I would, like others, like to know what happened to Frodo and Bilbo and the others journeying to the Grey Havens. I also would like to know about the changes Aragorn made in Gondor. __________________ And they carried them to the flatlands But they died along the way And they built up with their bare hands What we still can't do today. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO till the day I die.

01-13-2002, 01:07 AM	#28
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Uh, you know, the appendices ARE there for additional information, folks. Try the info on the Fourth Age, Aragorn. Tells you exactly what Aragorn did as King Elessar of Gondor, and about his final passing, as well as that of Arwen. Also covers how Pippin became the head Took, and of Merry's rise in the community, as well as Samwise's descendants founding and settling the Westmarch. As to wanting to know what happened when Bilbo and Frodo got to the Grey Havens, didn't you folks read the last chapter in the book? They got on the boat and sailed to the Undying Lands in Eldamar. Then Sam, Merry and Pippin rode home together wordlessly, Sam came in the door at Bag End, sat down in his chair, Rosie had dinner all ready, set Elanor in his lap, and he said, "Well, I'm back." Maybe some are confusing Cirdan's Grey Havens for Eldamar. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-27-2002, 06:53 AM	#30
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	Read about me, folks! I'm just fascinating! __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

01-07-2002, 01:56 PM	#22
KGamgee Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 103	Really? There's a real Shire? Those people are probably made fun of a lot. Imagine going up to someone and saying, "Hi. I'm from the Shire." They would think that you needed some help of they knew about LOTR. I would like to know what happened to Frodo, Bilbo, and Sam after they left the Havens.

01-12-2002, 11:42 AM	#24
Nenya Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 24	Like everyone else, I want to know what happens once Frodo and Bilbo get to the Grey Havens. I also want to know what became of the sons of Elrond. If I have interpreted what I have read correctly, then they had the same choice as Arwen; to go to the Havens with Elrond, or remain on Middle Earth and become mortal. It does not specifically mention them in the Grey Havens chapter (only "Gildor and many fair elven folk"), but neither is there any mention in the appendices of anything they may have done afterwards if they had remained on middle Earth. Can anyone shed any light on this?

01-12-2002, 06:53 PM	#26
Nenya Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 24	Yeah, I know, I found that about half an hour after I posted...how stupid do I feel now?

01-27-2002, 03:02 AM	#29
Legolas_BowKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 115	I would want to learn more about Legolas and Gimli there past were they came from and what they did in there daily lives before the ring had ever been heard of. Also more feamales dosent it seem just a little bit weird that there are only 3 feamales throughout the whole book. I wouldnt like a romance as such but im sure that maybe they could have a little more of a role toward's the evil in the world.

02-08-2002, 04:53 PM	#31
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	i'd like 2 know all of the stuff everyone else has said. also if the ents ever found their entwives. i think that would be very interesting. by the way- is it advised that i should read The Histrory of Middle Earth?is it easier or harder than the silmarillion?

04-04-2005, 02:34 PM	#32
strider8 Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a spaceship, floating in your puny planet's atmosphere, awaiting orders to invade Posts: 292	i would put put in a chapter about the first age,it would probably be about the battle of the dead marches. __________________ The axes hewed Forlong as he fought alone and unhorsed; and both Duilin of Morthond and his brother were trampled to death when they assailed the mumakil,leading their bowmen close to shoot at the eyes of the monsters. Neither Hirluin the fair would return to Pinnath Gelin, nor Grimbold to Grimslade, nor Halbarad to the northlands,dour-handed Ranger. Those that would not return home, page830-831, The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, The Return of the King

04-05-2005, 01:17 PM	#33
CrazySquirrel Shape-shifting, men-grabbing NAZGUL Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 796	I would have deleted the Ent stuff. And all the hobbit geneology etc.Dull it seems to me. Instead I would have put more bad guys POV.

04-05-2005, 10:38 PM	#34
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	I wouldn't delete a thing but I agree on more about the bad guys. I would like to understand how the events of the time looked to Sauron and his Wringraiths/Leutenants' from their points of view. I also, in retrospect and now that I'm thinking about it, regret how the bad guys were made to be so utterly and incorrigibly evil. Think about it. The good guys aren't perfectly good, there's an evil wizard, corrupt men, and in the Simarillion, at least, elves that misbehave pretty badly, too. What I'm trying to say is perhaps the Prof. could have made the bad guys less than completely one-dimensional. And now that I've shot my reputation here completely to hell ...

04-06-2005, 09:22 PM	#36
Manveru Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 256	i love lotr just the way it is. part of what is great about it is that we dont know everything. there is whole parts of the mythology he only touches on. if he explained everything in detail we probably wouldnt be here arguing if balrogs had wings or what the 2 blue wizards actually accomplished. i once read an essay or something on lotr that said this was one of the best things about it. it said something about "we always want to go on and explore the parts of the map where no characters go, the parts marked 'here be dragons'" __________________ Earendel arose where the shadow flows At Ocean's silent brim; Through the mouth of night as a ray of light Where the shores are sheer and dim He launched his bark like a silver spark From the last and lonely sand; Then on sunlit breath of day's fiery death He sailed from Westerland