Lord of the Flies - Page 2

***Khamûl*** · 03-25-2002, 11:20 PM

I've never read Lord of the Flies, but I think that "The Lord of the Flies" is the meaning of the Hebrew word Beelzebub. I think I heard that on Jeopardy one day and it kinda stuck. I though it was interesting. Does Beelzebub (Satan) have anything to do with the story or the possible meanings? (since you said it was an allegory)

Nibs · 03-26-2002, 12:28 AM

Where's that friggin' conch? I want to reply.

FrodoFriend · 03-26-2002, 03:06 AM

The actual "Lord of the Flies" (Beezlebub) represents the savagery in man. Basically, without civilization and laws to keep us in line, we run loose like wild animals (plus we do it even with civilization and laws). A rather dark view of mankind. As for Beezlebub representing Satan, I don't know - depends on whether William Golding was religious or not, I guess.

RosieCotton · 03-26-2002, 10:26 AM

Oh great, it sounds depressing. I hate depressing books.

Nice thought Khamul (sorry if I spelled it wrong.)

RosieCotton · 03-26-2002, 10:27 AM

Yeah!!! I'm an Elven Warrior! FINALLY!

Treebeard's apprentice · 03-28-2002, 11:35 PM

It is true that Beelzebub is a Hebrew translation for Lord of the Flies, but Beelzebub is not the devil himself, just a demon who is sort of "second in command" to Satan.

Incidently, both of these characters are important in Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost, which I also had to read in my English class a few weeks ago. While I did like it somewhat better than Lord of the Flies, I'm glad we only had to read a small part of it.

Sylvee Estel · 08-26-2002, 06:49 PM

I had to read this book for English this year. It was written really well, and it made me think, the symbolism was kinda cool and all, but it was disgusting! Yuck! And I LIKED Piggy! OMG it did give me nightmares! So I guess I kinda have an appreciation for this book, but hate it all the same.

RosieCotton · 08-27-2002, 12:33 PM

Don't read it. One of the most depressing books ever. Seriously. I had nightmares about Piggy and Simon. *Shiver*

Rûdhaglarien · 09-04-2002, 02:45 PM

All of the 'adults' in my family who have read it in the past liked it when they were younger, but hate it now, I don't know. I loved it, personally, as did most of my friends.

Play Girl · 09-05-2002, 01:43 PM

WHAT!!! I loved the book when I read it at school! The ending was amazing. The adult turns up and suddenly the boys revert back from savagery to being well, boys. They suddenly relise what they were going to do, the first two deaths were possibly mistakes but they were actually hunting down the third boy.
And that bit where they relise that the boy with the birthmark on his face is missing after the fire. Chilling!
luv
Play Girl
xxx

entss89 · 09-05-2002, 05:05 PM

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WAS A STUPID BOOK AND I HOLD A GRUDGE AGAINST MY TEACHER WHO MADE ME READ IT!

RosieCotton · 12-11-2002, 10:47 AM

It was very well written, but I didn't like it much. It was extremely pessimistic.

Rosie

Hanza · 01-03-2003, 07:17 AM

We are going to be studying Lord of the flies for my GCSE english exam. dont what we'll do about it. Hope it will be good.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-08-2003, 02:24 PM

I hated it. Had to do 7 pages of BS on it...

TariCalmcacil · 01-12-2003, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Treebeard's apprentice
All I want to say about this book is that I think it is stupid. We had to read it for my English class, and it is just an obvious symbol for the "evils of the world" . The part I have a problem with is the ending. It is so contrived. The Navy man shows up and it just ends. Nothing is solved. I felt that reading it insulted my intelligence. What do you think?

Note:: I'm not preaching... I just like the book.

You don't need to feel that way! I had to read that book for my english class too, and i felt that, even though we beat it with a stick until it would bleed no more, reading Lord Of The Flies was a profound experience. There is alot that this book can teach you about yourself, and I usually don't see this in novels that you have to read for school. The end was significant, because the Naval officer asks, who is the leader among you, and don't you notice that Jack doesn't speak up, and Ralph does! So even in the end, Ralph was the leader. The events that rocked this novel were horrendous, Jack is a prime example of evil, as well as Roger, because he tortured the twins and released the rock on Piggy and thus, destroyed the conch. The conch was very symbolic in the novel, as was the Lord Of The Flies, who symbolized the evil in people and the devil. The thing with this book though, if you've read it once, you don't need to read it again. This will be a book that I will remember for along time.

Tari

Beleg Strongbow · 01-13-2003, 09:25 AM

The symbolism is overdone, in my opinion. It's easy to do a report on, but that doesn't make it a good book. It's descriptive but not particularly insightful.

TariCalmcacil · 01-13-2003, 03:41 PM

You are right, Beleg Strongbow because frankly, EVERYTHING in that book has some sort of symbolism. It makes you wonder what kind of free time this man had on his hands. =P Of course, it is easy to do a report on, but I do think it is insightful. It does, give you an insight on human nature though it is in the darkest way possible....

Tari

Lady of Rohan · 04-21-2003, 10:51 AM

I am reading Lord of the Flies right now. My sister has to read it for english, and I was boared, so I decided to read it. I don't think its that bad (so far). They just caught the pig.

Belle · 05-03-2003, 02:37 PM

I read the book quite a long time ago and if nothing else it had a big impact on me. I thought the way the boys slowly went back on their evolution to become animals again was really great. It's up there with Animal Farm for imagery.

03-25-2002, 11:20 PM	#21
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I've never read Lord of the Flies, but I think that "The Lord of the Flies" is the meaning of the Hebrew word Beelzebub. I think I heard that on Jeopardy one day and it kinda stuck. I though it was interesting. Does Beelzebub (Satan) have anything to do with the story or the possible meanings? (since you said it was an allegory) __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

03-26-2002, 12:28 AM	#22
Nibs Head Hollara Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 751	Where's that friggin' conch? I want to reply. __________________ "People used to ring up and say 'Don't quit your day job' or 'sell your synth', but the joke's on them: we were fired and the synth is broken!" -John Flansburgh from They Might Be Giants Ever heard of Mormons? I'm one. Click here to know more about us.

03-26-2002, 03:06 AM	#23
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	The actual "Lord of the Flies" (Beezlebub) represents the savagery in man. Basically, without civilization and laws to keep us in line, we run loose like wild animals (plus we do it even with civilization and laws). A rather dark view of mankind. As for Beezlebub representing Satan, I don't know - depends on whether William Golding was religious or not, I guess. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

03-26-2002, 10:26 AM	#24
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Oh great, it sounds depressing. I hate depressing books. Nice thought Khamul (sorry if I spelled it wrong.) __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

03-26-2002, 10:27 AM	#25
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Yeah!!! I'm an Elven Warrior! FINALLY! __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

03-28-2002, 11:35 PM	#26
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	It is true that Beelzebub is a Hebrew translation for Lord of the Flies, but Beelzebub is not the devil himself, just a demon who is sort of "second in command" to Satan. Incidently, both of these characters are important in Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost, which I also had to read in my English class a few weeks ago. While I did like it somewhat better than Lord of the Flies, I'm glad we only had to read a small part of it.

08-26-2002, 06:49 PM	#27
Sylvee Estel Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 115	I had to read this book for English this year. It was written really well, and it made me think, the symbolism was kinda cool and all, but it was disgusting! Yuck! And I LIKED Piggy! OMG it did give me nightmares! So I guess I kinda have an appreciation for this book, but hate it all the same. __________________ ~Sylvee

08-27-2002, 12:33 PM	#28
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	Don't read it. One of the most depressing books ever. Seriously. I had nightmares about Piggy and Simon. Shiver __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

09-04-2002, 02:45 PM	#29
Rûdhaglarien Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 288	All of the 'adults' in my family who have read it in the past liked it when they were younger, but hate it now, I don't know. I loved it, personally, as did most of my friends. __________________ I have a very expensive pen.

09-05-2002, 01:43 PM	#30
Play Girl Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: If I told you I would have to kill you Posts: 159	WHAT!!! I loved the book when I read it at school! The ending was amazing. The adult turns up and suddenly the boys revert back from savagery to being well, boys. They suddenly relise what they were going to do, the first two deaths were possibly mistakes but they were actually hunting down the third boy. And that bit where they relise that the boy with the birthmark on his face is missing after the fire. Chilling! luv Play Girl xxx __________________ "Off the Record On the Q-T And very HUSH HUSH" Frodo lives!

09-05-2002, 05:05 PM	#31
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	HI I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WAS A STUPID BOOK AND I HOLD A GRUDGE AGAINST MY TEACHER WHO MADE ME READ IT!

12-11-2002, 10:47 AM	#32
RosieCotton Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Hobbiton...no wait.... Posts: 263	It was very well written, but I didn't like it much. It was extremely pessimistic. Rosie __________________ Fortune rides like the Sun on high With the fox that makes the ravens fly Luck his sould, the lightning his eye He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

01-03-2003, 07:17 AM	#33
Hanza Woolly Jumper Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: In my field of paper flowers and candy clouds of lullaby Posts: 1,200	We are going to be studying Lord of the flies for my GCSE english exam. dont what we'll do about it. Hope it will be good. __________________ :: there's nothing comforting in change:: Why dont sheep shrink in the rain??

01-08-2003, 02:24 PM	#34
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	I hated it. Had to do 7 pages of BS on it... __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-13-2003, 09:25 AM	#36
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	The symbolism is overdone, in my opinion. It's easy to do a report on, but that doesn't make it a good book. It's descriptive but not particularly insightful. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-13-2003, 03:41 PM	#37
TariCalmcacil Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: a bedroom, a house, a street, a town, a state, a country, a continent, a hemisphere, a earth, a solar system, a unvierse Posts: 21	You are right, Beleg Strongbow because frankly, EVERYTHING in that book has some sort of symbolism. It makes you wonder what kind of free time this man had on his hands. =P Of course, it is easy to do a report on, but I do think it is insightful. It does, give you an insight on human nature though it is in the darkest way possible.... Tari __________________ Life's something that just plays us all for fools. First we think one thing, then we think twice. Love is the feeling when you look in his eye, and know with a tear that you are going to get by. Once upon a time, I was born then I died. Thats the whole story. It's the end.

04-21-2003, 10:51 AM	#38
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	I am reading Lord of the Flies right now. My sister has to read it for english, and I was boared, so I decided to read it. I don't think its that bad (so far). They just caught the pig.

05-03-2003, 02:37 PM	#39
Belle Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Essex! Posts: 72	I read the book quite a long time ago and if nothing else it had a big impact on me. I thought the way the boys slowly went back on their evolution to become animals again was really great. It's up there with Animal Farm for imagery. __________________ You made me that much stronger Made me work a little bit harder Made me that much wiser So thanks for making me a fighter Made me learn a little bit faster Made my skin a little bit thicker Made me that much smarter So thanks for making me a fighter

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