Chapter two-the vanishing glass - Page 2

durinsbane2244 · 07-06-2006, 07:52 PM

reading from here, i think you just unintentionally backed me up that it WAS levitation and not apparition....HA!

jammi567 · 07-07-2006, 05:00 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!

i-i-i meant to say that he asumes that it's the wind because there's no other thing it could be. but if you read QA, it says that no human can fly unaided. therefore, it must be apperation. also, just because in book six, he does side along apperation, and that it's painful, doesn't mean that it is painful when you do it on your own. otherwise, why would wizards does it at all? and if it was painful, when harry and co. are doing apperation lessions, why isn't there any mention of it being so?

durinsbane2244 · 07-07-2006, 06:48 PM

er, because they never managed it, o' course. DD said that all wizards feel it and you just get used to it, i believe. also, what if he just made, say, his shoes fly or something?

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 04:18 AM

what, make them fly by throwing them off the top of the stairs!

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 06:18 AM

to settle this argument once and for all, i'll PM someone who has read the books, but hasn't joined in the argument, and ask them what their opinion is. once they've given their answer, we'll leave it at that, because otherwise, this could go on forever (or until someone asks JK herself about the incident of course).

durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 11:33 AM

well...ok than..i suppose thats fair...i do enjoy a good debate though...

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 12:05 PM

yes...except this isn't so much a debate as "i'm right, you're wrong", "no, i'm right, and you're wrong" etc.

durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 12:52 PM

HA! yes. well. gotta take what you can get, eh?

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 01:20 PM

well, yes i guess.

durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 02:37 PM

yes. so. back on topic....er....any other questions?

Spock · 07-08-2006, 02:43 PM

Ok, I'll weigh in on this.

As Harry had no recollection of **how** he got on top of the roof, levitation is ruled out. One would be conscious of leaving the ground, etc. Spontaneous apparition seems to be the answer as he went and hid behind the dust bins and 'next thing he knew he was on the chimney'.

This after re-reading the chapter, checking HP sites and such, is my take on the question.

durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 02:47 PM

blast. foiled again...i shall return in greater force!!! *strikes dramatic pose* TO THE SKIES!!!! *flies away*

tolkienfan · 07-08-2006, 03:58 PM

I always thought that it was levitation, but after jammi and Spocks' arguments I changed my mind. I think it was more likely apperation, but how is this really important?

durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 04:03 PM

hm...A VALID POINT! we've spent a few days argument in vain!

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tolkienfan

I always thought that it was levitation, but after jammi and Spocks' arguments I changed my mind. I think it was more likely apperation, but how is this really important?

oh, it's just fun for us to debate about trivia things like that because it makes the whole harry world, and harry himself, that much intersting upon a re-read.

p.s it was durinsbane and me, not Spock, who did all the arguring, but it was him who settled it.

Butterbeer · 07-08-2006, 05:07 PM

ware! my dear Jammi ...

settled?

so the 'mighty' spock speaks and that is it?

Nay!

there are other powers in this world, many without name ... that existed long before the days of Spock and his muggle viewpoint ...

-are you a muggle too Jammi?

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 05:11 PM

yes, but it was just easier that way.

p.s you're the craziest person i've met on here yet, you know that. half your posts doen't make the slightest bit of sense, whilst the other half are wows.

Butterbeer · 07-08-2006, 05:19 PM

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durinsbane2244 · 07-08-2006, 05:25 PM

man, i wish people went around complimenting me like that...the thanks i get for making sense...

jammi567 · 07-08-2006, 05:30 PM

oh, yeh, well done for making thoughtful and intersting posts durinebane. so, do you wish to answer another question?

07-06-2006, 07:52 PM	#21
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	reading from here, i think you just unintentionally backed me up that it WAS levitation and not apparition....HA! __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-07-2006, 05:00 PM	#22
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O! i-i-i meant to say that he asumes that it's the wind because there's no other thing it could be. but if you read QA, it says that no human can fly unaided. therefore, it must be apperation. also, just because in book six, he does side along apperation, and that it's painful, doesn't mean that it is painful when you do it on your own. otherwise, why would wizards does it at all? and if it was painful, when harry and co. are doing apperation lessions, why isn't there any mention of it being so? __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-07-2006, 06:48 PM	#23
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	er, because they never managed it, o' course. DD said that all wizards feel it and you just get used to it, i believe. also, what if he just made, say, his shoes fly or something? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 04:18 AM	#24
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	what, make them fly by throwing them off the top of the stairs! __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-08-2006, 06:18 AM	#25
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	to settle this argument once and for all, i'll PM someone who has read the books, but hasn't joined in the argument, and ask them what their opinion is. once they've given their answer, we'll leave it at that, because otherwise, this could go on forever (or until someone asks JK herself about the incident of course). __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-08-2006, 11:33 AM	#26
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	well...ok than..i suppose thats fair...i do enjoy a good debate though... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 12:05 PM	#27
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	yes...except this isn't so much a debate as "i'm right, you're wrong", "no, i'm right, and you're wrong" etc. __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-08-2006, 12:52 PM	#28
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	HA! yes. well. gotta take what you can get, eh? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 01:20 PM	#29
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	well, yes i guess. __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-08-2006, 02:37 PM	#30
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	yes. so. back on topic....er....any other questions? __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 02:43 PM	#31
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Ok, I'll weigh in on this. As Harry had no recollection of how he got on top of the roof, levitation is ruled out. One would be conscious of leaving the ground, etc. Spontaneous apparition seems to be the answer as he went and hid behind the dust bins and 'next thing he knew he was on the chimney'. This after re-reading the chapter, checking HP sites and such, is my take on the question. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-08-2006, 02:47 PM	#32
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	blast. foiled again...i shall return in greater force!!! strikes dramatic pose TO THE SKIES!!!! flies away __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 03:58 PM	#33
tolkienfan Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Internet Posts: 803	I always thought that it was levitation, but after jammi and Spocks' arguments I changed my mind. I think it was more likely apperation, but how is this really important? __________________ Don't be hasty! Thanks so much to Last Child of Ungoliant, Twista, and BeardofPants for my avatar! Last edited by tolkienfan : 07-08-2006 at 04:01 PM.

07-08-2006, 04:03 PM	#34
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...A VALID POINT! we've spent a few days argument in vain! __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 05:07 PM	#36
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	ware! my dear Jammi ... settled? so the 'mighty' spock speaks and that is it? Nay! there are other powers in this world, many without name ... that existed long before the days of Spock and his muggle viewpoint ... -are you a muggle too Jammi?

07-08-2006, 05:11 PM	#37
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	yes, but it was just easier that way. p.s you're the craziest person i've met on here yet, you know that. half your posts doen't make the slightest bit of sense, whilst the other half are wows. __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

07-08-2006, 05:19 PM	#38
Butterbeer Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: here and there Posts: 3,514	...

07-08-2006, 05:25 PM	#39
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	man, i wish people went around complimenting me like that...the thanks i get for making sense... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

07-08-2006, 05:30 PM	#40
jammi567 I'm Eru, and lord of Arda. Join Date: May 2006 Location: southampton, hampshire Posts: 2,609	oh, yeh, well done for making thoughtful and intersting posts durinebane. so, do you wish to answer another question? __________________ Vote for me, Jammi567, in the 2008 Entmoot elections, and you will get many of the things we need: free, unbiased, newspapers; a strong alliance with many countries, so that war doesn't start over someone breaking their nose on a doorframe; etc, etc This forum is lonely. It's new and confused, and doesn't have many friends yet. Help today by joining for free, posting, and posting this message and link in your sig. So please, join and help make it feel welcomed and loved.

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