Perhaps, oh, um, BEER?!???!!

[Nurvingiel]

See my two favourite beers:

Guinness

and Kilkenny
(bad pour though )

A proper pour for either Guinnes or Kilkenny takes at least 5 minutes.

[inked]

Subject: A History Lesson (Humorous and probably True) about Beer

Division of the human family into 2 distinct political groups began
some 12,000 years ago. Humans existed as members of small bands of
nomadic hunter/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains in the
summer & would go to the beach & live on fish & lobster in winter.

The 2 most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer & the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man
to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization & together
were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into 2 distinct subgroups:
Liberals & Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered it required grain & that was the beginning of
agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented
yet, so while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting
for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's
how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking & killing animals to B-B-Q at night
while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known
as "the Conservative movement".

Other men who were weaker & less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's & doing the sewing, fetching & hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as 'girleymen'. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, the invention of group therapy & group hugs & the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat & beer that conservatives provided.


Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,
most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are
symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their
beef well done. Sushi, tofu, & French food are standard liberal fare.
Another interesting revolutionary side note: most of their women have
higher testosterone levels than their men.

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers
in Hollywood & group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the
designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher
also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer and eat red meat & potatoes.
Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks,
construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate
executives, soldiers, athletes & generally anyone who works
productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies
hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans
are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals
remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They
crept in after the Wild West was tame and created a business of trying to
get MORE for nothing. Here ends today's lesson in world history.

My question is - can I still be a conservative if I don't like beer?

disclaimer:it's really about the beer!

[Snowdog]

I have to say I love the Guinness commercials running here in the states for the 'canned' Guinness...

"Six beers? Brilliant!! Wait, drinking six beers at once is not a good idea!"

"Not drinking six beers at once! Drinking one beer six different times!"

"BRILLIANT!"

[Fenir_LacDanan]

Guinness is easily a fav. But generally, one must think that had the various combatants of the various wars sat down to a good pint and drunk away their problems, perhaps we would not be where we be. eh?

Oh sorry, what were you lot all talking about...?

[The Gaffer]

Originally Posted by inked

Subject: A History Lesson (Humorous and probably True) about Beer

Heh heh. Good one.

Funny how it's "imported" vs "domestic" when, as all real men know, it's lager, ale or stout.

A comment about Guinness:

People always said to me that the Guinness you get in Ireland is better than the stuff you get elsewhere. So, of course, when I went to Ireland, top of my list was to have a pint of the dark stuff.

Imagine my surprise to find that it does indeed taste better: it tastes like Murphy's.

Life lesson: drink Murphy's.

Anyone else had this experience?

[Snowdog]

'Guinness that tastes like Murphy's? BRILLIANT!'

[Millane]

oh what a thread

Originally Posted by Fenir_LacDanan

Firstly, here in Victoria, a state in the south, the only drop to drink is VB, or Victoria Bitter, followed by Carlton Draught and Melbourne Bitter. The thing is, Victoria and Melbourne bitters are actually not bitter, they are in fact lagers. God knows why they are called bitters when they are not, but no one over here seems to care at all. In fact, they tried to sell VB in England, but they changed the name to "victoria beer". I haven't been to London in years, so I cant tell you if its still available.

hmmm id only say VB and Carlton, Melbourne Bitter is disgusting and shouldnt be assosciated with previous two. out of the good two i prefer Carlton and i find its in most of the pubs now, they sorta went through a thing with Tooheys (another shite beer) where they sponsered everything and had it in all the pubs, but there days are gone and Carlton is in its place, a good beer thankgod...

Fosters Lager, the famous Aussie beer, is in fact rarely drunk in Australia. If I turned up to a session with a slab of Fosters, my aussie mates would can me to no end.
I think its a bit of a backlash to the staggering foreign success of Fosters.

I think Fosters isnt drunk that much because it is actually not that good of a beer, when people think ireland they think guiness but its sad for everyone to think of australia and think Fosters I dont mind Fosters light ice, a light beer (i think that makes it about 2% roughly) that seems to get colder than any other beer can and its great for the hot day...
Thats one of the things i love going to tassie for, they have great breweries and distilleries. I dont mind Cascade everynow and then come to think of it.
Anyway just a quick question since Gollum mentioned he was 17 (under drinking age im assuming) is it uncommon for underage kids to drink in the states or anywhere else for that matter. A friend who went to america for a year said it was unheard of, and im not talking getting absolutely wasted just like a beer with a meal or something

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Heh heh. Good one.

Funny how it's "imported" vs "domestic" when, as all real men know, it's lager, ale or stout.

A comment about Guinness:

People always said to me that the Guinness you get in Ireland is better than the stuff you get elsewhere. So, of course, when I went to Ireland, top of my list was to have a pint of the dark stuff.

Imagine my surprise to find that it does indeed taste better: it tastes like Murphy's.

Life lesson: drink Murphy's.

Anyone else had this experience?

indeed, murphy's is better than guinness when drunk in this country
the reason?
guinness doesn't travel - simple as that
it is something to do with the exact balance between the alcohol within that unsettling it is the same effect as shaking a can of coke
the best place to drink black gold is the guinness brewery in dublin - trust me i know!!

[Snowdog]

the best place to drink black gold is the guinness brewery in dublin

This is true with any brew.

So the little plastic ball in the can of Guinness is not "BRILLIANT" ?

Fosters Lager, the famous Aussie beer, is in fact rarely drunk in Australia. If I turned up to a session with a slab of Fosters, my aussie mates would can me to no end.

Tooheys is better.. I like Old. My dear friend from Australia who visited me made this totally clear, and even gave me a Toohey's NEW & Toohey's OLD. Both good beers!

I saw a truck on the highway with the Foster's Logo on the side proclaiming it was "imported from Australia" Well, the Fosters here in the states is actually imported from Canada.

[Nurvingiel]

Here's a late birthday present Fenir, a bump on the beer thread.

I think the little ball in Guinness cans is brilliant! (Maybe that's what you were getting at Snowdog.) It makes the canned beer as close as it's possible for a can to get to an on tap beer.

Now let's talk about American beer. All jokes aside (must... resist... canoe joke), I am of the opinion that there are plenty of good American beers. The bad reputation comes from the mass export of Budweiser. I know people who like Budweiser (and it is drinkable), but it still doesn't stack up all that well internationally. Hence, the worldwide mocking of American beer.

However, countries tend to export their worst beers. The name of the Czech mass export beer escapes me, but my Czech friends assert it's the worst of their beers. Molsen Canadian is our mass export, and actually I think it's quite a nice drinkable beer. However, there are far, far better Canadian beers that we just don't share.

Beck's seems to be Germany's big export, and Heineken I believe is Dutch. Both are quite decent beers actually, though at least one of my German friends thinks Beck's is crap.

Europeans don't seem to import Molsen though. However, you can buy Budweiser in any System Bolaget (gov't beer store) here.

What are the unsung heroes of American beer? Let's talk about those microbreweries.

[Millane]

i went shopping yesterday to get some milk and grog when to my surprise on the shelf i saw a minislab, consisting of 12 hoegaarden for 6€, back home id pay about 8€ equivilant for a six pack.

[EarthBound]

tipple LCOU ??? What does this mean?

[Butterbeer]

Originally Posted by EarthBound

tipple LCOU ??? What does this mean?

"tipple" slang or whatever for "what you drinking?" whats your poison etc?

LCOU = last child of ungiliant ( if it was a good tipple then spell it wrong!)

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Nurvingiel

Now let's talk about American beer. All jokes aside (must... resist... canoe joke), I am of the opinion that there are plenty of good American beers. The bad reputation comes from the mass export of Budweiser. I know people who like Budweiser (and it is drinkable), but it still doesn't stack up all that well internationally. Hence, the worldwide mocking of American beer.

However, countries tend to export their worst beers. The name of the Czech mass export beer escapes me, but my Czech friends assert it's the worst of their beers. Molsen Canadian is our mass export, and actually I think it's quite a nice drinkable beer. However, there are far, far better Canadian beers that we just don't share.

Beck's seems to be Germany's big export, and Heineken I believe is Dutch. Both are quite decent beers actually, though at least one of my German friends thinks Beck's is crap.

Europeans don't seem to import Molsen though. However, you can buy Budweiser in any System Bolaget (gov't beer store) here.

What are the unsung heroes of American beer? Let's talk about those microbreweries.

good call there. yeah lots of people assume every american beer is awful. sheer ignorance. theres plenty of good american beers. they just tend to be small breweries. which is how it should be really.

Heres a pretty good top 50 list of american beers (yes 50 for those folks who cant name 3 decent american beers...) from a year or two ago that I thought was decent.
_______

Stone Brewing Co. San Marcos, California
Brewery Ommegang Cooperstown, New York (best brewery in the country in my opinion)
Lakes Brewing Company Cleveland, Ohio
AleSmith Brewing Co. San Diego, California
Victory Brewing Company Downingtown, Pennsylvania
Three Floyds Brewing LLC Munster, Indiana (Hey Tolkien fans: Dark Lord Russian Imperial Stout )
Deschutes Brewery, Inc. Bend, Oregon
Brooklyn Brewery Brooklyn, New York
Rogue Ales Newport, Oregon
Anchor Brewing Co. San Francisco, California
Bear Republic Brewing Co. Healdsburg, California
Kalamazoo Brewing Company, Inc. Kalamazoo, Michigan
Allagash Brewing Company Portland, Maine (they have just a fantastic Tripel)
Heavyweight Brewing Co. Ocean Township, New Jersey
Full Sail Brewing Company Portland & Hood River, Oregon
Tröegs Brewing Company Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Middle Ages Brewing Co. Syracuse, New York
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co. Chico, California
Hair of the Dog Brewing Company Portland, Oregon
Magic Hat Brewing Company Burlington, Vermont
North Coast Brewing Co. Fort Bragg, California
The Concorde Brewery Shirley, Massachusetts
Goose Island Beer Co. Chicago, Illinois
Dogfish Head Craft Brewery Milton, Deleware
Stoudts Brewing Co. Adamstown, Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania Brewing Company Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Odell Brewing Company Fort Collins, Colorado
Tyranena Brewing Company Lake Mills, Wisconsin
D. L. Geary Brewing Co. Portland, Maine
New Belgium Brewing Inc. Fort Collins, Colorado
Old Dominion Brewing Co. Ashburn, Virginia
Smuttynose Brewing Company Portsmouth, New Hampshire
Yards Brewing Co. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
High Point Wheat Beer Company Butler, New Jersey
Avery Brewing Company Boulder, Colorado
Moylan's Brewery Novato, California
Alaskan Brewing Co. Juneau, Alaska
McNeill's Brewery Brattleboro, Vermont
Harpoon Brewery Boston, Massachusetts
New Glarus Brewing Company New Glarus, Wisconsin
Anderson Valley Brewing Company Boonville, California
Weyerbacher Brewing Co. Easton, Pennsylvania
Cisco Brewers Inc. Nantucket, Massachusetts
Snake River Brewing Company Jackson, Wyoming
Capital Brewery Middleton, Wisconsin
Lagunitas Brewing Company Petaluma, California
Flying Fish Brewing Company Cherry Hill, New Jersey
Berkshire Brewing Co. South Deerfield, Massachusetts
Boston Beer Company Boston, Massachusetts (good old Sam Adams! Cant go wrong with this stuff.)
Sprecher Brewing Company Glendale, Wisconsin

So yeah throw some of these toward your gullet and see what you think about GOOD american beers. These are about as far from Budwieser and Miller and Coors as Mortons Steak House is from McDonalds and Burger King. Nothing wrong with a Big Mac every now and then but dont think thats all we have here in the way of restaurants. Widen your horizons I say...

Oh and if yer looking for a cool place in Sweden to go (since you are there) check out Oliver Twist in Stockholm. Good cask conditioned ale there. Course the Swedes like to drink milk with their beer so....

[Small No-name]

Look i am only 14 ok i am not going to be drinking beer just yet.

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

i started before i was 14...

[Butterbeer]

yup same here

where you from small no-name? I take it your'e not from Blighty the Boozy then?

extensive list I Rex: do you know of any of those beers that are exported as specilities to Uk that i could try here?

Also:
what is the Canoe joke anyway?

[Insidious Rex]

Originally Posted by Butterbeer

yup same here

where you from small no-name? I take it your'e not from Blighty the Boozy then?

extensive list I Rex: do you know of any of those beers that are exported as specilities to Uk that i could try here?

Yeah who waits till theyre 21 anymore. Lot of lost time in my opinion.

Check out http://shop.store.yahoo.com/beergeek/usmicroale.html. they carry most of them. not sure if they send to the UK though. Check that out first. Also you can just purchase straight from the company web site in some cases. Are there beverage stores there that specialize in world wide beers? They have them here for beer from all over the world. thats where i get most of this stuff.

what is the Canoe joke anyway?

well it starts with "Why is Budweiser (Miller, Coors, Bush, etc.) like having sex in a canoe..."

[Last Child of Ungoliant]

Originally Posted by IR

Yeah who waits till theyre 21 anymore. Lot of lost time in my opinion.

or even 18 for us boozy blighters , i am going out on saturday, and i am going to get totally bladdered most likely, just hope the gig is as good as the drink

[Snowdog]

Good list IR! You have my current favorite, Deschutes Brewery on there as I've had a taste for Obsidian Stout and Black Buute Porter, and their summer seasonal Twilight Ale are quite good.

One not on your fine list is the Big Sky Brewing Company in Missoula Montana. Their Moose Drool is A#1!

also, Pike Brewing in Seattle makes a great Scottish Ale called Kilt Lifter. In fact I have one in the fridge. Think I'll go get it!

I've been a fan of Red Hook since I first had a ½ yard of it baxck in 1982 at Murphy's Pub in the university district of Seattle. They have pretty much become a quasi-industrial beer these days, with distribution by Budweiser and all, but it still is a good choice in a resturant when one wants a safe choice.

Of course, if you're out in Washington state in June, go to the Summer Brewfest in June!


Yes, it comes in pints!