UK Politics - Page 2

jerseydevil · 11-05-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Valandil

This is getting off topic.

Should we split off the parts about Bush? Or do you guys want to just leave them in but get back to UK Politics?

Well my comments dealt with Blair and the issue of whether he was right or wrong abotu WMD and whether he was right to support us. So I think they should stay. It deals directly with UK politics - just like they dealt directly with the US Elections thread.

Fenir_LacDanan · 11-05-2004, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valandil

This is getting off topic.

Should we split off the parts about Bush? Or do you guys want to just leave them in but get back to UK Politics?

Now Karl, where is the fun in that...

So, back to topic.

Perhap's Blair's policy of supporting America's war will affect his chances at re-election. eh?

We are discussin UK politics, after all.

Telcontar_Dunedain · 11-05-2004, 05:53 PM

I think it will effect his chance. Britain was very apparnt and very stongly against the War in Iraq. These people will vote for another party (I'm guessing the Tories.) The only problem with this is that in Britain we don't vote for the Prime Minister. We vote for local MP's. Which ever party with the most MP's has their official leader as Prime MInster.

The Gaffer · 11-06-2004, 06:42 AM

Thanks, Valandil. There's not a lot to be gained by the usual bunfight.

OK, here's a question. Would voting Labour be more or less attractive if Gordon Brown were leader?

Also, what do people think about the UK Independence Party?

Janny · 11-07-2004, 08:55 AM

UKIP? They decided not to share, but to shaft. MWAHAHA!!!

Have to love that classic footage...

EDIT: My new favourite web site! http://www.ukgameshows.com/index.php/Shafted
Unfortunately, no moving footage, but an allusion to the brilliant hand movements!

Oh sunny sis, I presume the 'didn't see that coming' was a tad sarcastic, nicht war? Was that resounding 'no' before or after the illegal forced postal ballot votes were discounted? (Or am I thinking of something else...?)

I suggest a little trip to www.telegraph.co.uk to view Matt.

Two good ones about the regional assembly.

sun-star · 11-07-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Janny

Oh sunny sis, I presume the 'didn't see that coming' was a tad sarcastic, nicht war?

It wasn't, actually. I've been somewhat isolated from political news recently and in the absence of opinion polls assumed that the electorate would, as usual, vote for whatever the government told them to. Or at the very least that the government would find a way of pushing their plans through.

EDIT for Janny's edit: Only 4 episodes got shown? How does one come back from a career failure like that? Ah, one tries (and fails) to become the leader of UKIP...

Durin1 · 11-08-2004, 05:28 AM

It is difficult thinking of voting labour (being a tradional labour supporter) when you know their leader is a Liar. Brown would appease me slightly, but i think there is too much croynism is labour ranks to make me vote for them next year.

BTW, with regards to WMD. Mr Blair, being an intelligent, former Barrister (no less) read the intelligence on Iraq and became "convinced" of Iraq's threat. However, subsequent reports and clarification of intelligence showed that Blair had been unbelievably blind. Noone can tell me that it was all a fix.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-08-2004, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jerseydevil

The folloers don't always have the long term insight of what is going on - nor do they have all the information to make an informed decision.

however, if the gov't doesnt listen to the people, they won't get re-elected,
blair can't have his cake and eat it, you know

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-08-2004, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janny

UKIP? They decided not to share, but to shaft. MWAHAHA!!!

Have to love that classic footage...

that clip has been shown so many times on 'have i got news for you',
gotta love that kilroy-silk, eh?
not

Janny · 11-08-2004, 04:18 PM

Laughs at the very thought!

The Gaffer · 11-09-2004, 01:40 PM

Yes, I think there are many thousands of people who could not stomach voting for Bliar.

However, true labour supporters, who are interested in redistribution of wealth, workers' rights and not killing foreigners to further enrich millionaires, are very much in the minority.

Therefore, I wonder if it'll make any difference, since the people he's alienated are no longer his core supporters.

Margaret Thatcher once replied, on being asked what was her greatest political legacy, "New Labour".

Durin1 · 11-10-2004, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gaffer

Yes, I think there are many thousands of people who could not stomach voting for Bliar.

However, true labour supporters, who are interested in redistribution of wealth, workers' rights and not killing foreigners to further enrich millionaires, are very much in the minority.

Therefore, I wonder if it'll make any difference, since the people he's alienated are no longer his core supporters.

Margaret Thatcher once replied, on being asked what was her greatest political legacy, "New Labour".

Is Bliar a Freudian slip?

There is no real distinction anymore between Labour and conservatives. Both seem to become centre-right parties. Don't even mention David Blunkett!

What do people think about the UK's relationship with the USA? And especially the imbecile Bush (whoops! i've already hinted at what i think

)

sun-star · 11-14-2004, 03:45 PM

So, Boris Johnson... Thoughts?

Telcontar_Dunedain · 11-14-2004, 03:58 PM

I think he should just have been warned for his actions. His private life should be just that, private!

BeardofPants · 11-14-2004, 04:36 PM

Boris Johnson?

*BoP goes to google* ... Ah.

I think that it's wrongful termination. It's none of the party's business what he gets up to in his private life.

Janny · 11-14-2004, 04:55 PM

Poor, poor Boris... It's a conspiricy I say! Let's throws eggs at the vampire!

Draken · 11-15-2004, 06:46 AM

Ah yes, let's choose politicians based on whatever the tabloid press decrees is moral behaviour, that makes sense...

Might be worth pointing out that in World War II, America was governed by an adulterer and Britain by a chain-smoking heavy drinker. Only a certain Mr Hitler, a teetotal, monogamous vegetarian, would have passed the 'spotless private life' criterion.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-15-2004, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sun-star

So, Boris Johnson... Thoughts?

i say boris for .. um .. that err job, thing, that runs like the countyr, or um, what was it called?, ahh yes prime err minister

anyone seen boris present 'have i got news for you'?

The Gaffer · 11-15-2004, 10:36 AM

Poor Boris, sacrificed to demonstrate Howard's moral credentials. And because he's better known and more popular than the entire Tory front bench put together.

The man is a legend on HIGNFY. Bit of a clown, of course and therefore completely unelectable were he to become leader, which is another reason why he shouldn't have been sacked.

Having said that, his comments about Liverpool show that, underneath that bumbling, shambolic exterior, lurks a reactionary twat.

Last Child of Ungoliant · 11-15-2004, 10:40 AM

to be honest, even liverpudlians (is it rude to say scousers?) have to agree that boris is much more likeable than that lord of the undead that the tory party have currently got.

11-05-2004, 05:53 PM	#23
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I think it will effect his chance. Britain was very apparnt and very stongly against the War in Iraq. These people will vote for another party (I'm guessing the Tories.) The only problem with this is that in Britain we don't vote for the Prime Minister. We vote for local MP's. Which ever party with the most MP's has their official leader as Prime MInster. __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

11-07-2004, 08:55 AM	#25
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	UKIP? They decided not to share, but to shaft. MWAHAHA!!! Have to love that classic footage... EDIT: My new favourite web site! http://www.ukgameshows.com/index.php/Shafted Unfortunately, no moving footage, but an allusion to the brilliant hand movements! Oh sunny sis, I presume the 'didn't see that coming' was a tad sarcastic, nicht war? Was that resounding 'no' before or after the illegal forced postal ballot votes were discounted? (Or am I thinking of something else...?) I suggest a little trip to www.telegraph.co.uk to view Matt. Two good ones about the regional assembly. __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton. Last edited by Janny : 11-07-2004 at 11:32 AM.

11-08-2004, 05:28 AM	#27
Durin1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 221	It is difficult thinking of voting labour (being a tradional labour supporter) when you know their leader is a Liar. Brown would appease me slightly, but i think there is too much croynism is labour ranks to make me vote for them next year. BTW, with regards to WMD. Mr Blair, being an intelligent, former Barrister (no less) read the intelligence on Iraq and became "convinced" of Iraq's threat. However, subsequent reports and clarification of intelligence showed that Blair had been unbelievably blind. Noone can tell me that it was all a fix. __________________ Durin the Sleepless!

11-08-2004, 04:18 PM	#30
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Laughs at the very thought! __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

11-09-2004, 01:40 PM	#31
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Yes, I think there are many thousands of people who could not stomach voting for Bliar. However, true labour supporters, who are interested in redistribution of wealth, workers' rights and not killing foreigners to further enrich millionaires, are very much in the minority. Therefore, I wonder if it'll make any difference, since the people he's alienated are no longer his core supporters. Margaret Thatcher once replied, on being asked what was her greatest political legacy, "New Labour". Last edited by The Gaffer : 11-09-2004 at 01:44 PM.

11-06-2004, 06:42 AM	#24
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Thanks, Valandil. There's not a lot to be gained by the usual bunfight. OK, here's a question. Would voting Labour be more or less attractive if Gordon Brown were leader? Also, what do people think about the UK Independence Party?

11-14-2004, 03:45 PM	#33
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	So, Boris Johnson... Thoughts? __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

11-14-2004, 03:58 PM	#34
Telcontar_Dunedain Warrior of the House of Hador Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,651	I think he should just have been warned for his actions. His private life should be just that, private! __________________ Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230

11-14-2004, 04:36 PM	#35
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Boris Johnson? BoP goes to google ... Ah. I think that it's wrongful termination. It's none of the party's business what he gets up to in his private life. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-14-2004, 04:55 PM	#36
Janny The Blobbit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent, England (Not Oxford! ... yet...) Posts: 1,596	Poor, poor Boris... It's a conspiricy I say! Let's throws eggs at the vampire! __________________ Janny's Songs Janny's lyrics and random photographs Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who happen to be walking about. ~ Mercutio... erm, GK Chesterton.

11-15-2004, 06:46 AM	#37
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	Ah yes, let's choose politicians based on whatever the tabloid press decrees is moral behaviour, that makes sense... Might be worth pointing out that in World War II, America was governed by an adulterer and Britain by a chain-smoking heavy drinker. Only a certain Mr Hitler, a teetotal, monogamous vegetarian, would have passed the 'spotless private life' criterion. __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

11-15-2004, 10:36 AM	#39
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Poor Boris, sacrificed to demonstrate Howard's moral credentials. And because he's better known and more popular than the entire Tory front bench put together. The man is a legend on HIGNFY. Bit of a clown, of course and therefore completely unelectable were he to become leader, which is another reason why he shouldn't have been sacked. Having said that, his comments about Liverpool show that, underneath that bumbling, shambolic exterior, lurks a reactionary twat.

11-15-2004, 10:40 AM	#40
Last Child of Ungoliant The Intermittent One Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: here and there Posts: 4,671	to be honest, even liverpudlians (is it rude to say scousers?) have to agree that boris is much more likeable than that lord of the undead that the tory party have currently got.

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