Book of Job - Page 2

Comic Book Guy · 02-22-2010, 01:49 PM

Irrelevant; the meaning and definition of the word still applies here.

inked · 02-22-2010, 07:13 PM

It is hardly irrelevant, CBG, that you apply a concept not yet 400 years old to texts ten times that in age and more.

The genuine question to be answered here is why, exactly, the imposition of "modern" standards should be made to ancient texts?

For instance, would you say that the ancient Chaldeans, Chinese, or even, Egyptians, were in error because they were non-Copernican in their understanding of the solar system? Or do you think that even though the Maya have the most accurate calendar that it should be faulted for being non-Copernican? I would think not.

Why then retrograde the concept of plagiarism when it clearly does not apply?

Comic Book Guy · 02-23-2010, 04:50 PM

You can get into etymology, if you like, but it's still irrelevant. The actual meaning of the word plagiarism was entirely appropriate for the context I used it in. Should I have said "The Bible's authors imitated closely the stories and myths of others"? The word plagiarism sufficed. It doesn't matter what date the word appropriated for the concept entered the lexicon; your Copernicus question doesn't apply here. That's an issue of epistemology.

Anyway, this is pointless meandering.

The study of comparative myths is something that is genuinely interesting and something that is probably somewhat neglected amongst scholarly circles. What insights can be gained to the questions of cultural replication and the mass spread of ideas?

inked · 02-23-2010, 10:44 PM

Yes, CBG, it is an issue of epistemology. Apparently there is yours and then every one else's. Yours, I understand, is the only correct one in your universe. But there are rumours of a multiverse about and the reality may be a bit more than you admit or can inure yourself to!

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-25-2010, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy

The study of comparative myths is something that is genuinely interesting and something that is probably somewhat neglected amongst scholarly circles. What insights can be gained to the questions of cultural replication and the mass spread of ideas?

Now, that IS an interesting question. On the most basic level, it points to a fluidity in theologico-mythical thought, and shows them to have been rather more amorphous in the past than they are generally considered to be today. Although a certain "eclecticism" is pretty common today, it seems to generally be quite self-conscious in its eclecticism, whereas the shifting of mythological boundaries in the past seems to have been much less so, almost immediately natural to the peoples of the time.

Comic Book Guy · 02-25-2010, 03:31 PM

Well, I wouldn't bother saying anything if I didn't think I was right about everything

So if you ever see me banging on about quantum physics, be sure to listen

02-22-2010, 07:13 PM	#2
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	It is hardly irrelevant, CBG, that you apply a concept not yet 400 years old to texts ten times that in age and more. The genuine question to be answered here is why, exactly, the imposition of "modern" standards should be made to ancient texts? For instance, would you say that the ancient Chaldeans, Chinese, or even, Egyptians, were in error because they were non-Copernican in their understanding of the solar system? Or do you think that even though the Maya have the most accurate calendar that it should be faulted for being non-Copernican? I would think not. Why then retrograde the concept of plagiarism when it clearly does not apply? __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

02-23-2010, 04:50 PM	#3
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	You can get into etymology, if you like, but it's still irrelevant. The actual meaning of the word plagiarism was entirely appropriate for the context I used it in. Should I have said "The Bible's authors imitated closely the stories and myths of others"? The word plagiarism sufficed. It doesn't matter what date the word appropriated for the concept entered the lexicon; your Copernicus question doesn't apply here. That's an issue of epistemology. Anyway, this is pointless meandering. The study of comparative myths is something that is genuinely interesting and something that is probably somewhat neglected amongst scholarly circles. What insights can be gained to the questions of cultural replication and the mass spread of ideas? Last edited by Comic Book Guy : 02-23-2010 at 04:57 PM.

02-23-2010, 10:44 PM	#4
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	Yes, CBG, it is an issue of epistemology. Apparently there is yours and then every one else's. Yours, I understand, is the only correct one in your universe. But there are rumours of a multiverse about and the reality may be a bit more than you admit or can inure yourself to! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

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02-22-2010, 01:49 PM	#1
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Irrelevant; the meaning and definition of the word still applies here.

02-25-2010, 03:31 PM	#6
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Well, I wouldn't bother saying anything if I didn't think I was right about everything So if you ever see me banging on about quantum physics, be sure to listen