Tolkien's Languages - Page 2

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-15-2003, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
hantalya. (Thank you? maybe. I'm trying.)

Hantalye, I think. I think the suffix -lya means "your".

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-15-2003, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
hantalya. (Thank you? maybe. I'm trying.)

Think it is hantalye or hantal. I think the suffix -lya means "your".

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-15-2003, 09:33 PM

OOPS!

My computer for some reason didn't show that I had replied already.

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ruinel
Hey! You don't know me well enough to say that!!!

Well, I was using it as a pejoritive. I.E. Weak, pathetic, etc. But you'd be surprised what you can say in quenya.

Edit: Actually, that's not true. You'd be surprised what I can say in quenya. (wink wink)

Falagar · 04-16-2003, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Think it is hantalye or hantal. I think the suffix -lya means "your".

But that would be "you thank" (the suffix here being the subject). To say "I thank you", one needs the -nyÃ« ending, for "I":
Hantanyel, or Le hantan ("you I thank").

Falagar · 04-16-2003, 12:31 PM

Btw, didn't we have an Elvish-thread somewhere? It dissapeared without anyone noticing a while ago...Time for revival?

Ruinel · 04-16-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Well, I was using it as a pejoritive. I.E. Weak, pathetic, etc. But you'd be surprised what you can say in quenya.

Edit: Actually, that's not true. You'd be surprised what I can say in quenya. (wink wink)

You are insufferable! Weak, insufferable Atani!

And I would not be surprised at what you would say in quenya.

Ruinel · 04-16-2003, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falagar
But that would be "you thank" (the suffix here being the subject). To say "I thank you", one needs the -nyÃ« ending, for "I":
Hantanyel, or Le hantan ("you I thank").

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ« Think it is hantalye or hantal. I think the suffix -lya means "your".

So, then which is it? I'm trying to learn and I'll put this in my personal notes.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 04-16-2003, 02:45 PM

I believe what the other guy said. Hantanye le. I thank you. Can't believe I messed up on that. Oh well, I'm learning.

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 03:45 PM

Hecal, Ruinel! ElyÃ« quentÃ« ve hina!
InyÃ« vÃ¡ lasta sina. NamÃ¡riÃ«!

Elf Girl · 04-16-2003, 04:03 PM

Now that's not very nice, is it? *Has just spent a quarter of an hour painstakingly translating it*

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 04:06 PM

Ruinel · 04-16-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Hecal, Ruinel! ElyÃ« quentÃ« ve hina!
InyÃ« vÃ¡ lasta sina. NamÃ¡riÃ«!

Well, without looking anything up... I know you are being a cad. To tell me to be gone is not very nice, (deleted curse here). And to tell me I'm a child is worse, (more deleted curses here). But I'll wait to comment more when I've translated the rest...(even more deleted curses here).

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 04:19 PM

Quenya is a great language for anything but cursing.

Allright, here's something nice for a change:

Linda Ruinel, mÃ¡ras elyÃ« hanya quenya.
NarlyÃ« istimawendÃ«, nildÃ«.

***RÃan*** · 04-16-2003, 04:24 PM

(sorry to interrupt the thread, but WF, could you please check your PMs or IM me at rianhuor? Kind of imp't)

Ruinel · 04-16-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
[BAllright, here's something nice for a change:

Linda Ruinel, mÃ¡ras elyÃ« hanya quenya.
NarlyÃ« istimawendÃ«, nildÃ«.

[/B]

The previous message was (as I suspected) rude...
"Be gone you, Ruinel! Even thou {word} like child! {Small or female?} do not listening this. Farewell!"
anything in {} I was not sure about. But as I posted earlier, I knew a couple of words already... Hecal and hina.

The new message (not sure if it will make up for this last one, though)...
"Fair Ruinel, good even thou understand quenya."

And as for you...
ApanÃ³na! VÃ¡ yaiwelyen! Mern ilohta imbÃ« me.

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 06:23 PM

My first message was,

Begone, Ruinil! Thou word/speak like a child.
I will not listen to this. Farewell!

A few notes:
I did not intend to call you a child, but rather to say you speak (quenya) like one.
I'm pretty sure the word quentÃ« isn't correctly used as a verb form. Since Quenya=Speakers then Quen=Speak?
InyÃ« is generally used as an intensifier. ('even I', compare ElyÃ« 'Even thou') The proper usage requires combining the pronoun affix to a verb.

The second you translate correctly, except for a slight few places where I flubbed the grammar:

mÃ¡ras is the form of mÃ¡ra (good) with the suffix -s, indicating 'is'. So read 'it is good' {that} you understand quenya.

And then NarlyÃ« istimawendÃ«, nildÃ«- You are a wise-woman, friend.

Wayfarer · 04-16-2003, 06:46 PM

Quote:

ApanÃ³na! VÃ¡ yaiwelyen! Mern ilohta imbÃ« me.

Afterborn I will not (mock/mockery, scorn) {something}. Desire. (no-War?) between us.

yaiwelyen could either mean 'Be mocked by you' or 'mock you' (lyÃ«=affix thou/you), in which case your sentance would read:

Human, I will not mock (be mocked by?) you. Desire peace between us.

IstarnyÃ«! Cenvandinyal? CentÃ¡tanya? Istar!
CotumolyÃ«, Ruinil. Ilohta imbÃ« me.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-16-2003, 07:06 PM

oo, oo, Wise! I recognized that!

Ruinel · 04-16-2003, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wayfarer
Begone, Ruinil! Thou word/speak like a child.
I will not listen to this. Farewell!

San, vÃ¡ quentÃ«lyen?

04-15-2003, 09:33 PM	#23
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	OOPS! My computer for some reason didn't show that I had replied already. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-16-2003, 12:31 PM	#26
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04-16-2003, 02:45 PM	#29
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I believe what the other guy said. Hantanye le. I thank you. Can't believe I messed up on that. Oh well, I'm learning. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

04-16-2003, 03:45 PM	#30
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Hecal, Ruinel! ElyÃ« quentÃ« ve hina! InyÃ« vÃ¡ lasta sina. NamÃ¡riÃ«! __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-16-2003, 04:03 PM	#31
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LothlÃ³rien Posts: 3,419	Now that's not very nice, is it? Has just spent a quarter of an hour painstakingly translating it __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-16-2003, 04:06 PM	#32
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Lau. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-16-2003, 04:19 PM	#34
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Quenya is a great language for anything but cursing. Allright, here's something nice for a change: Linda Ruinel, mÃ¡ras elyÃ« hanya quenya. NarlyÃ« istimawendÃ«, nildÃ«. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-16-2003, 04:24 PM	#35
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04-16-2003, 06:23 PM	#37
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	My first message was, Begone, Ruinil! Thou word/speak like a child. I will not listen to this. Farewell! A few notes: I did not intend to call you a child, but rather to say you speak (quenya) like one. I'm pretty sure the word quentÃ« isn't correctly used as a verb form. Since Quenya=Speakers then Quen=Speak? InyÃ« is generally used as an intensifier. ('even I', compare ElyÃ« 'Even thou') The proper usage requires combining the pronoun affix to a verb. The second you translate correctly, except for a slight few places where I flubbed the grammar: mÃ¡ras is the form of mÃ¡ra (good) with the suffix -s, indicating 'is'. So read 'it is good' {that} you understand quenya. And then NarlyÃ« istimawendÃ«, nildÃ«- You are a wise-woman, friend. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

04-16-2003, 07:06 PM	#39
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