The Sundering of the Tolkien Fans - Page 2

Falagar · 01-20-2003, 11:09 AM

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Why do you regard HoME and UT as secondary sources? Though edited and commented on by Christopher Tolkien, the stories in UT are written by JRRT, as is the material in HoME. I would rather say The Silmarillion is a secondary source.

Depends on which HoME-books

BTW, I'm a Seperatist Purist

Elf Girl · 01-20-2003, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Bah: The so-called Children of Light, whom we truly know as the lower Men who fell under the Shadow, have not been around long enough to establish a "firm and lasting" hold in anything. Anyone who thinks that the Jackson films are superior to the Tolkien books proves that he is a lower Man. These "Apostates", as they are known, approve of, and indeed cheer, the raping of numerous characters in the great epic tale Lord of the Rings. Such beings are truly a sad folk, indeed.

It said nothing in the descriptionof the Children of the Light about thinking the movies were superior to the book. Anyone thinking that would indeed be pitiful, but the Children of The Light do not.

Dunadan · 01-20-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Why do you regard HoME and UT as secondary sources? Though edited and commented on by Christopher Tolkien, the stories in UT are written by JRRT, as is the material in HoME. I would rather say The Silmarillion is a secondary source.

Mainly because JRRT didn't plan to publish them. His intention, as stated in the preface to my copy of Unfinished Tales, was for the background to LOTR to remain mysterious. So, by publishing them, his son has already taken the creation beyond the intention of the original creator.

I'm not saying this is wrong, just that we should acknowledge that we've already overstepped the bounds the original author placed on his own work. It has therefore been changed by the interpretation of others.

Perhaps "secondary" is the wrong term, but I think it's analogous to printing a painter's rough sketches. Constable, for example, was one of England's most famous romantic painters. However, his field sketches turned out to be far more influential than his finished works: they inspired the Impressionists to change completely how they painted landcapes.

And yes, the Sil would probably be more secondary than UT.

What do you think?

cheers

d.

**crickhollow** · 01-20-2003, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
Hah. There should be a category in there on hating the movie(s) purely because they failed cinematically.

BB, when are you going to realise that not everyone has to agree with you that PJ is simply the bee's knees?

Didn't Cirdan talk in another thread about PJ's knees?

by the by, I'm a Separatist Purist. Thanks for adding that category, Gwaimir.

Sween · 01-20-2003, 01:41 PM

BB and PJ in a tree doing what the shouldnt be k..i..s..s..i..N..g seriously PJ why dont you just get a room or as im sure your phycatrist of the police call it a shrine to PJ. Seriously i have a gay mate whos looks just like him...want his number?

Im a born again purist semi. I think some things are better in the book (the majority) and i think some things are better in the film but most things are translated well so theres a middle ground of the same as.

Celebréiel · 01-20-2003, 03:02 PM

hmph, defy catagories! well...I guess im a cross between a bombadillite and BOP's disliking the movies just b/c they werent good! *shrugs*

Most of my friends are born again purists. Or...there should be a small group for ppl that went to see the movies b/c of the hot elf guy, liked them for the hot elf guy, then the whole born again part.

Thats most of my friends.
~Celebréiel

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-20-2003, 06:16 PM

What is this? You refer to the Apostates as Children of Light? Traitors!!!

And DUH! Of COURSE LotR is real! It happened 7000 years ago! That's, Like, SO obvious!

durin's bane · 01-20-2003, 07:15 PM

I'm a born-again purist...

Sheesh, BB, say something NICE for once instead of bashing Tolkien fans and praising that plump dolt PJ.

paulbaggins · 01-20-2003, 07:31 PM

Well I think one can enjoy both the bookks, which are a lot of work to read. And the movies , / One just s toremember that if Jackson had done a full rendition of the books, no toying with the books at all the movies would each run 9 hours in length. So his adaptations are lovely.and I enjoy them

***azalea*** · 01-20-2003, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by Draken

Freeze framing the part with Liv Tyler in profile wearing that purple dress....(or is that just me?)

I think it's just you...IN YOUR MIND, seeing as how Arwen only appears in "that purple dress" in TTT...which sadly has not come out in video yet!

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originally posted by Dunadan:
"I don't think there's any sundering between Tolkien fans (unless it's between those who agree with BB and those who don't

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Then it would just be the sundering of the Tolkien FAN. J/K, I couldn't resist.

Arathorn · 01-21-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem

The Separatist Purist - Those of the beings who truly love the Lord of the Rings, but also enjoy the movies made by Jackson; these particular Purists are able to separate the trilogy told by Jackson's spurting blood and twisted characters from the epic Lord of the Rings tale told by the wise founder, Professor J. R. R. Tolkien.

I'm separatist

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I'm a Separatist Purist as well. Although I found myself being accused sometimes of doing undercover work as a member of the so-called "Children of the Light" and I tell you this: It feels like wearing the One Ring!

Everything's so dark and blurry.

Wayfarer · 01-21-2003, 01:36 AM

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There should be a category in there on hating the movie(s) purely because they failed cinematically.

I believe that category would be Anybody With Good Taste in Cinema

]: )

BeardofPants · 01-21-2003, 01:52 AM

Wayfarer · 01-21-2003, 02:42 AM

You agree, then?

Draken · 01-21-2003, 06:13 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by azalea
[B]I think it's just you...IN YOUR MIND, seeing as how Arwen only appears in "that purple dress" in TTT...which sadly has not come out in video yet!

Ah but when it comes out I will... no harm in getting a little mental practice in in the meantime!

Dwarven Sen · 01-21-2003, 07:32 AM

The Separatist Purist - Those of the beings who truly love the Lord of the Rings, but also enjoy the movies made by Jackson; these particular Purists are able to separate the trilogy told by Jackson's spurting blood and twisted characters from the epic Lord of the Rings tale told by the wise founder, Professor J. R. R. Tolkien.

This is me. Wow thank you for finding the name of my true path.

elendili · 01-21-2003, 07:33 AM

in the wheel of time The Children of the Light are a psychotic gruop of purits who supposedly walk in the light but everyone hates

*ducks below hail of masonry*

I think i'm a fair weather purist but also a separaist purist, i used to b indecisive but know im not so sure

Arathorn · 01-21-2003, 10:58 AM

Well, Children of the Light reminds me of Children of the Corn.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-21-2003, 11:31 AM

azalea: Actually, a friend of a friend of mine got a copy of TTT from her dad, who got in Quwait (or however you spell it)!!! Maybe Draken has found a similar copy. Have you? Huh, buddy?

Draken · 01-21-2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
Well, Children of the Light reminds me of Children of the Corn.

And "Children of the Corn" reminds me of "Catcher in the Rye"!

01-20-2003, 01:41 PM	#25
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	BB and PJ in a tree doing what the shouldnt be k..i..s..s..i..N..g seriously PJ why dont you just get a room or as im sure your phycatrist of the police call it a shrine to PJ. Seriously i have a gay mate whos looks just like him...want his number? Im a born again purist semi. I think some things are better in the book (the majority) and i think some things are better in the film but most things are translated well so theres a middle ground of the same as. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

01-20-2003, 03:02 PM	#26
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	hmph, defy catagories! well...I guess im a cross between a bombadillite and BOP's disliking the movies just b/c they werent good! shrugs Most of my friends are born again purists. Or...there should be a small group for ppl that went to see the movies b/c of the hot elf guy, liked them for the hot elf guy, then the whole born again part. Thats most of my friends. ~Celebréiel __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

01-20-2003, 06:16 PM	#27
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	What is this? You refer to the Apostates as Children of Light? Traitors!!! And DUH! Of COURSE LotR is real! It happened 7000 years ago! That's, Like, SO obvious! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-20-2003, 07:15 PM	#28
durin's bane Lady of Westernesse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada (Help! Our parliament building is melting!) Posts: 761	I'm a born-again purist... Sheesh, BB, say something NICE for once instead of bashing Tolkien fans and praising that plump dolt PJ. __________________ Yada, yada, yada

01-20-2003, 07:31 PM	#29
paulbaggins Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 14	Well I think one can enjoy both the bookks, which are a lot of work to read. And the movies , / One just s toremember that if Jackson had done a full rendition of the books, no toying with the books at all the movies would each run 9 hours in length. So his adaptations are lovely.and I enjoy them __________________ [B]The road goes ever on and on down from the house where it began

01-21-2003, 01:52 AM	#33
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	__________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-21-2003, 02:42 AM	#34
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	You agree, then? __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-21-2003, 06:13 AM	#35
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	[QUOTE]Originally posted by azalea [B]I think it's just you...IN YOUR MIND, seeing as how Arwen only appears in "that purple dress" in TTT...which sadly has not come out in video yet! Ah but when it comes out I will... no harm in getting a little mental practice in in the meantime! __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

01-21-2003, 07:32 AM	#36
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	The Separatist Purist - Those of the beings who truly love the Lord of the Rings, but also enjoy the movies made by Jackson; these particular Purists are able to separate the trilogy told by Jackson's spurting blood and twisted characters from the epic Lord of the Rings tale told by the wise founder, Professor J. R. R. Tolkien. This is me. Wow thank you for finding the name of my true path. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

01-21-2003, 07:33 AM	#37
elendili Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: a galaxy far far away (aka Manchester) Posts: 320	in the wheel of time The Children of the Light are a psychotic gruop of purits who supposedly walk in the light but everyone hates ducks below hail of masonry I think i'm a fair weather purist but also a separaist purist, i used to b indecisive but know im not so sure __________________ Dovie'andi se tovya sagain "Courage my soul, now learn to wield The weight of thine immortal shield Place on thy head thy helmet bright Ballance thy sword against the fight See where an army strong as fair With silken banners spreads the air Now if thy bee'st that thing divine In this days combat let it shine: And shew that nature wants an art To conqeur one resolved heart" Andrew Marvell

01-21-2003, 10:58 AM	#38
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Well, Children of the Light reminds me of Children of the Corn. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

01-21-2003, 11:31 AM	#39
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	azalea: Actually, a friend of a friend of mine got a copy of TTT from her dad, who got in Quwait (or however you spell it)!!! Maybe Draken has found a similar copy. Have you? Huh, buddy? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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