Finrod Felagund is the coolest Elven king (the one in the Silmarillion I mean) - Page 2

Tar-Elendil · 05-15-2002, 06:59 PM

not sure..gettin it from my memory but cant seem to remember where i read it..it might have been lost tales
well anyways..that variation is much better than the one in the silmarillion

Finrod Felagund · 05-16-2002, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Yes my king, we are married. You are going to have to find a way to break the news to Amarie.

Amarie, well she didn't come to Middle-Earth so it;'s her fault but I still don't know how we got married without me knowing it.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 05-16-2002, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Finrod Felagund

Amarie, well she didn't come to Middle-Earth so it;'s her fault but I still don't know how we got married without me knowing it.

It must have been that night you drank too much Murivore.

Finrod Felagund · 05-16-2002, 02:46 PM

oh yeah. Galadriel must've been visiting Melian in Doriath, she usually tried to keep me sober.

Wayfarer · 05-17-2002, 03:11 PM

He chanted a song of wizardry. Otherwise you're spoty on. I've memorized that section as well.

It's more interesting if you read the Lays of Beleriand. HTere you can get the context, and some humorous dialogue from melkor and sauron.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 05-17-2002, 04:46 PM

What's humorous about it?

Though I think it is funny Felagund told ThÃ» their names were Nereb and Dungalef.

Makamu · 05-30-2002, 08:18 AM

I like Finrod, Fingon, Fingolfin, Ingwe, Turgon and Maedhros best, though I can't say why

Dwarven Sen · 06-19-2002, 09:07 AM

As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf, I have to say that I liked Thingol until he decided to lock Luthien in a tower. I liked Turgon, but then he went and got proud and wouldnt listen to Tuor. Eol is a........(finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant person. Feanor is twisted, and my friend wishes he didnt die, but i m glad that he did. Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much, most men are.........( finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant. Elrond is the wisest though.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 06-19-2002, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Dwarven Sen
As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf, I have to say that I liked Thingol until he decided to lock Luthien in a tower. I liked Turgon, but then he went and got proud and wouldnt listen to Tuor. Eol is a........(finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant person. Feanor is twisted, and my friend wishes he didnt die, but i m glad that he did. Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much, most men are.........( finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant. Elrond is the wisest though.

Elrond, or Cirdan might be the wisest in LotRs, or the Third Age, but Finrod Felagund was considered to be the wisest of the Exiles in the First Age.

Elvellon · 06-19-2002, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Dwarven Sen

...Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much...

He saw the potential that Humankind has, both for good and evil.

He was well aware of human flaws, but felt compassion for humans; yet, human virtues he admired.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 06-19-2002, 10:01 PM

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Elrond, or Cirdan might be the wisest in LotRs, or the Third Age, but Finrod Felagund was considered to be the wisest of the Exiles in the First Age.

Minor niggle: according to Galadriel, at the time of the War of the Ring the wisest of the Elves was Celeborn.

galadriel · 06-19-2002, 11:41 PM

Celeborn was considerably older than Elrond, so it follows that he might be wiser due to accumulated experience. Cirdan, while undoubtably wise, seemed to be constantly off at some haven or another while much of the action of the first three ages was taking place. Still, I'd say it's a close call between him and Celeborn.

Maybe Galadriel's just biased.

Finrod is certainly the wisest elf of the First Age. He's by far my favorite elf in the Silmarillion. (Well, I admit it, I also have an irrational soft spot for Maedhros. He wasn't perfect, but he was a good guy at heart.)

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 06-20-2002, 03:15 AM

When Galadriel said Celeborn the Wise was the wisest of the Eldar, her words were "He is accounted .." the wisest of the Eldar, emphasis mine. She was not the only one who thought him the wisest.

I think Celeborn's wisdom was prudence. CÃ*rdan had more to do with foresight.

At the time of the War of the Ring, CÃ*rdan was probably the oldest Elf that was alive and living in Middle-earth. At least in the Northwestern region we're familiar with.

It's interesting to note that CÃ*rdan and Celeborn belonged to the same family. Celeborn was Thingol's grand nephew, and CÃ*rdan is vaguely described as being of "the kin of Thingol" (the exact relationship is never made explicit).

Hehe, then again, Celeborn and CÃ*rdan were both related to Elrond and Galadriel, weren't they?

All the powerful Elves seem to be among the nobles, for some reason.

Dwarven Sen · 06-20-2002, 04:41 AM

Ahh, elitism. It must be a class thing. Well, i still like elrond, but Finrod is best in early years.
Talking of family and kin.... how is celeborn related to legolas?
I know that celeborn and thranduil are related to elrond and thingol, but what is their own relationship, second cousin three times removed?

galadriel · 06-21-2002, 01:44 PM

I know that Oropher, Legolas's granddaddy, was a Sindar, but was he related to Thingol? He could have been. I just don't know.

Elvellon · 06-21-2002, 05:47 PM

Oropher and the sindar that went with him were originally from Doriath, but there isnâ€™t any indication (that Iâ€™m aware off) that he and Thingol were kin.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 06-21-2002, 05:59 PM

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Talking of family and kin.... how is celeborn related to legolas?

I assume you're referring to Celeborn's words to Legolas, which were something like "Welcome Legolas, son of Thranduil! Too seldom do my kindred journey here from the North!". When this passage was first written, Celeborn was conceived of as a Wood-elf. Now that we know him to be Grey-elven, I suppose the passage should be interpreted to mean that by "my kindred" Celeborn meant the sort of Elves he ruled as Lord of LothlÃ³rien.

On the other hand, Legolas was also a Sinda. So by "kindred" Celeborn could have simply meant "Grey-elves".

If Legolas and Celeborn were related, it would have to be very distantly indeed.

Dwarven Sen · 06-24-2002, 06:53 AM

oh, okay thank you, i was told that the distant kin of thingol, after doriath was destroyed, created thenew elven realms, ie in lorien and mirkwood, in rememberance of their fair home of old.

Christiana · 06-29-2002, 05:21 PM

Gil-Galad and Finrod.

elendili · 07-05-2002, 08:48 AM

Turgon is the coolest by far he even had the sense to build a beautiful hidden city with fountains and stuff but he was stupid and didn't listen to Tuor's warning stupid elf

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As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf

Excuse me what about me a Ranger, hmph mad at you now

05-15-2002, 06:59 PM	#21
Tar-Elendil NÃºmenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	not sure..gettin it from my memory but cant seem to remember where i read it..it might have been lost tales well anyways..that variation is much better than the one in the silmarillion __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-16-2002, 02:46 PM	#24
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	oh yeah. Galadriel must've been visiting Melian in Doriath, she usually tried to keep me sober. __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

05-17-2002, 03:11 PM	#25
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	He chanted a song of wizardry. Otherwise you're spoty on. I've memorized that section as well. It's more interesting if you read the Lays of Beleriand. HTere you can get the context, and some humorous dialogue from melkor and sauron. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

05-17-2002, 04:46 PM	#26
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	What's humorous about it? Though I think it is funny Felagund told ThÃ» their names were Nereb and Dungalef. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

06-19-2002, 09:07 AM	#28
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	As a Dwarf, but also the best friend of an elf, I have to say that I liked Thingol until he decided to lock Luthien in a tower. I liked Turgon, but then he went and got proud and wouldnt listen to Tuor. Eol is a........(finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant person. Feanor is twisted, and my friend wishes he didnt die, but i m glad that he did. Yep, Id have to say that Finrod is my favourite, except i dont understand why he decided to help men so much, most men are.........( finding a word that wont get me bannned)......not very pleseant. Elrond is the wisest though. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

05-30-2002, 08:18 AM	#27
Makamu Sapling Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 10	I like Finrod, Fingon, Fingolfin, Ingwe, Turgon and Maedhros best, though I can't say why

06-19-2002, 11:41 PM	#32
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	Celeborn was considerably older than Elrond, so it follows that he might be wiser due to accumulated experience. Cirdan, while undoubtably wise, seemed to be constantly off at some haven or another while much of the action of the first three ages was taking place. Still, I'd say it's a close call between him and Celeborn. Maybe Galadriel's just biased. Finrod is certainly the wisest elf of the First Age. He's by far my favorite elf in the Silmarillion. (Well, I admit it, I also have an irrational soft spot for Maedhros. He wasn't perfect, but he was a good guy at heart.) __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

06-20-2002, 03:15 AM	#33
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	When Galadriel said Celeborn the Wise was the wisest of the Eldar, her words were "He is accounted .." the wisest of the Eldar, emphasis mine. She was not the only one who thought him the wisest. I think Celeborn's wisdom was prudence. CÃrdan had more to do with foresight. At the time of the War of the Ring, CÃrdan was probably the oldest Elf that was alive and living in Middle-earth. At least in the Northwestern region we're familiar with. It's interesting to note that CÃrdan and Celeborn belonged to the same family. Celeborn was Thingol's grand nephew, and CÃrdan is vaguely described as being of "the kin of Thingol" (the exact relationship is never made explicit). Hehe, then again, Celeborn and CÃrdan were both related to Elrond and Galadriel, weren't they? All the powerful Elves seem to be among the nobles, for some reason. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan Last edited by Ã‘Ã³lendil : 06-20-2002 at 03:19 AM.*

06-20-2002, 04:41 AM	#34
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	Ahh, elitism. It must be a class thing. Well, i still like elrond, but Finrod is best in early years. Talking of family and kin.... how is celeborn related to legolas? I know that celeborn and thranduil are related to elrond and thingol, but what is their own relationship, second cousin three times removed? __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

06-21-2002, 01:44 PM	#35
galadriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a castle made of clouds Posts: 459	I know that Oropher, Legolas's granddaddy, was a Sindar, but was he related to Thingol? He could have been. I just don't know. __________________ Human kind cannot bear very much reality. dreamflower - for all things Lady Galadriel

06-21-2002, 05:47 PM	#36
Elvellon Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lindon Posts: 637	Oropher and the sindar that went with him were originally from Doriath, but there isnâ€™t any indication (that Iâ€™m aware off) that he and Thingol were kin. __________________ **************************************** "None are more hoplessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Reality is just an illusion, albeit a very persistent one - Albert Einstein The Caffeine Mantra It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Brazil that the thoughts aquire speed, The hands aquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion... Elvellon Erelion

06-24-2002, 06:53 AM	#38
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	oh, okay thank you, i was told that the distant kin of thingol, after doriath was destroyed, created thenew elven realms, ie in lorien and mirkwood, in rememberance of their fair home of old. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

06-29-2002, 05:21 PM	#39
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Gil-Galad and Finrod. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

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