Favorite Elf-King?

[The Telcontarion]

Originally Posted by Thorin II

I vote for Gil-galad. He wasn't as powerful as some of his predecessors, but I respect him for leading the Elves even as they started to decline. I don't think many (or any) of the previous High Kings would've formed an alliance with Men.

My fellow "Tolkienite" Thorin II, Erienion Gil-galad was the latest but far from the weekest of the high kings of the Eldar. At the very least he was as powerful as his father Fingon the valiant and certainly stronger of will than Turgon who at the sack of his city gave up and allowed it to be razed without further effort on his part to prevent it; Erienion fought to the death. Aeglos had the mastery remember. Not because he was more recent makes him any less. He was a scion of kings and Elrond was his herald; do you doubt that Elrond the wise was less than any of the greatest of the kings of old; I think not.

Gil-galad was my king, I remember rushing the walls and...no more. Alas, it was a dark day, a bloody day; Anarion had fallen but a little while before.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

At the very least he was as powerful as his father Fingon the valiant .

But it turns out that Fingon was not the father of Gil-galad. Fingon had no children, and Gilgalad was the son of Orodreth. Orodreth turns out to be the son of Angrod instead of his brother. Of course this takes nothing away from what you have said about Gil-galad.

[The Telcontarion]

Originally Posted by Sister Golden Hair

But it turns out that Fingon was not the father of Gil-galad. Fingon had no children, and Gilgalad was the son of Orodreth. Orodreth turns out to be the son of Angrod instead of his brother. Of course this takes nothing away from what you have said about Gil-galad.

Now I have a copy of the silmarillion right here and in the family tree as well as within the text itself it clearly says that Erienion was the son of Fingon. I have read the lost tales and such and I have seen thing s concerning galadriel and maglor that would suggest if Tolkien had time, the fates would have been different. But even Christopher Tolkien said that what is published in the Silmarillion is the the official timeline and any of the other stuff he could not include because he was not sure wiether or not his faher would have entered them in the main body. Why did you say what you said, I found it quite interesting.

"Of course this takes nothing away from what you have said about Gil-galad."

Thanks for agreeing.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally Posted by The Telcontarion

Now I have a copy of the silmarillion right here and in the family tree as well as within the text itself it clearly says that Erienion was the son of Fingon. I have read the lost tales and such and I have seen thing s concerning galadriel and maglor that would suggest if Tolkien had time, the fates would have been different. But even Christopher Tolkien said that what is published in the Silmarillion is the the official timeline and any of the other stuff he could not include because he was not sure wiether or not his faher would have entered them in the main body. Why did you say what you said, I found it quite interesting.

"Of course this takes nothing away from what you have said about Gil-galad."

Thanks for agreeing.

In the last three volumes of the Histories of Middle-earth series, Christopher Tolkien points out several mistakes made in editing the Silmarillion. Some of these mistakes were due to mis-interpretation of illegable notes made by his father. One of the biggest made was the parentage of Gil-galad and Orodreth.

If I can find a minute sometime today, I will try to look up the text from the HoMe and post it here. I'm not even sure which of the 3 books it is in. I think it may be Morgoth's Ring, but I'm not positive.

If you have the last three volumes of the HoMe: (Morgoth's Ring; War of the Jewels- which is the Later Silmarillion, and The Peoples of Middle-earth,) you will find many corrections that CT has made and how his father really meant for the Silmarillion to be.

[jammi567]

slight deviation, but do any of you think Chistopher will do a second addition of the sil, and correct the mistakes he made?

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally Posted by jammi567

slight deviation, but do any of you think Chistopher will do a second addition of the sil, and correct the mistakes he made?

No. He has already discussed that. Editing the Sil was a major task. He chose to make all the corrections to any mistakes made within it, in the HoMe, the Later Silmarillion.

[jammi567]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Ellf]

I would have to say Ingwe. The King of the Vanyar and high king of all Elves.

After him I would say Finwe, Feanor's father.

[Tulkas]

felagun is definatly the greatest elf-king.

[NelyafinweMaitimo]

Feanor. Notwithstanding that he nearly led the Noldor to ruin in the short time he was King, one can hardly name a King, or an Elf, for that matter, who accomplished more.

[Lotesse]

Originally Posted by NelyafinweMaitimo

Feanor. Notwithstanding that he nearly led the Noldor to ruin in the short time he was King, one can hardly name a King, or an Elf, for that matter, who accomplished more.

Yes!!! Yes, good call. Most definitely Feanor.

[Belwen_of_nargothrond]

I would have to choose between 3. My first choice would be Gil-Galad, then Finrod Felagund would be a very close second. The third would be Turgon of Gondolin.