What All Was Wrong with PJ's LOTR - Page 15

sisterandcousinandaunt · 04-09-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Curufin

*pats Gordis on head*

Nice, friendly Nazgúl.

Of course, as I apparently shine like a beacon from the Wraith-world, let's hope I'm not followed.

Or create some.

Curufin · 04-09-2008, 04:24 PM

*doesn't want to create Nazgúl*

The Dread Pirate Roberts · 04-09-2008, 04:39 PM

One's enough...

Curufin · 04-09-2008, 04:41 PM

That's for sure.

Gordis · 04-10-2008, 11:38 AM

There are more nazgul here than you seem to think *ominous music*
Two years ago there were more than nine. It used to be a real nazgulmoot.

Curufin · 04-10-2008, 11:41 AM

Where are all the Ñoldor, though?

Or have you found us all already and sent us all to Mandos?

Maybe shining like beacons isn't a good thing?

Gordis · 04-10-2008, 11:46 AM

The Elves don't need nazgul to send them to Mandos. They take care of it themselves.

sisterandcousinandaunt · 04-10-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordis

The Elves don't need nazgul to send them to Mandos. They take care of it themselves.

Complete agreement.

Curufin · 04-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Yeah, okay, so we are pretty good at it.

BeardofPants · 04-11-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BeardofPants

Oh, I think he was some talent. Just not exhibiting it in the LOTRs. Have you seen Heavenly Creatures? It's a great movie. And the one I'd recommend to people who want to watch a Peter Jackson movie. His earlier movies are great too (Bad Taste, et alia).

Curu - not sure if you caught this, but I'll re-post. Heavenly Creatures really is worth the watch.

Curufin · 04-11-2008, 02:44 AM

No, I'd missed that post.

Haven't seen it, but I have heard of it.

Don't know if it's really my kind of thing, though.

BeardofPants · 04-11-2008, 03:12 AM

Fair enough... you ever want to give the elves a skip, then at least you've got a rec.

frodomerryandaragornrock · 07-14-2008, 09:34 AM

Lotr ROX, no matter what any1 says!! i do say they changed many things, but the movies are already 3 hours long and i do agree the arwen dreams were a bit much, but most of the changes contribute to the movie, not take away from it.

Curufin · 07-14-2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

but most of the changes contribute to the movie, not take away from it.

This is most certianly a matter of opinion, and one I disagree with strongly.

Gordis · 07-16-2008, 04:30 AM

frodomerryandaragornrock: Could you, please elaborate: in what way the changes contribute to the movie.

Jon S. · 07-17-2008, 08:50 PM

There are so many it's difficult to know where to start.

Meriadoc Brandybuck · 07-17-2008, 10:50 PM

I just re-watched FotR and RotK extended for the first time in a long time. There are some parts where I still cringe when I watch them.

But watching RotK after I watched the appendices made me have a much greater appreciation for the movies and all the minute details.

Freeflying · 07-18-2008, 05:12 AM

I think part of the negative reception of the film is to do with its adaptation from the classic J. R. R. Tolkien book. I mean once you´ve read the book you have the pictures that YOU created - when the film doesn´t match up (which i think it woudl be hard to do) you feel cheated somewhat - especially as after the film, i find it hard to picture my original images.

Gordis · 07-18-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freeflying

I think part of the negative reception of the film is to do with its adaptation from the classic J. R. R. Tolkien book. I mean once you´ve read the book you have the pictures that YOU created - when the film doesn´t match up (which i think it woudl be hard to do) you feel cheated somewhat - especially as after the film, i find it hard to picture my original images.

That is undoubtedly true... But if it were ONLY that!

Here is a small example:
in FOTR, PJ had postulated "The Ring obeys ONLY SAURON. We CAN'T use it."

Minor thing, you would say?

But that stupid notion had a lot of consequences. They couldn't make Saruman want the Ring for himself - what for, if he can't use it? So now we have Saruman as Sauron's servant. Why then would Saruman's Uruks lead the captured hobbits west and not east over the river directly to Mordor? - no answer.

Galadriel also looks a total fool, becoming all radioactive-like about the Ring she can't even use!

And now why couldn't Gandalf take the Ring and carry it himself - if he couldn't use it?

Also, if nobody but Sauron could use the Ring, all the underlying reasoning devised by Tolkien for BOTH sides in the "Return of the King" crumbles. Why would Sauron worry who has got his Ring? Why would he be in such a hurry? Why would he offer any terms? He could have proceeded methodically, as a good strategist, and sooner or later he would have conquered the West and regained his Ring - because he was far stronger then the West.

The Dread Pirate Roberts · 07-18-2008, 09:48 AM

The images were actually not so bad. Though New Zealand isn't much like Europe, they did a passable job with the scenery, costuming, etc.

It was the many, unnecessary changes in characters' personalities and motivations that were most egregious, IMO.

04-09-2008, 04:24 PM	#282
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	doesn't want to create Nazgúl __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

04-09-2008, 04:39 PM	#283
The Dread Pirate Roberts Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 987	One's enough... __________________ ~The DPR "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

04-09-2008, 04:41 PM	#284
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	That's for sure. __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

04-10-2008, 11:41 AM	#286
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Where are all the Ñoldor, though? Or have you found us all already and sent us all to Mandos? Maybe shining like beacons isn't a good thing? __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

04-10-2008, 11:52 AM	#289
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	Yeah, okay, so we are pretty good at it. __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

04-10-2008, 11:38 AM	#285
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	There are more nazgul here than you seem to think ominous music Two years ago there were more than nine. It used to be a real nazgulmoot.

04-10-2008, 11:46 AM	#287
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	The Elves don't need nazgul to send them to Mandos. They take care of it themselves.

04-11-2008, 02:44 AM	#291
Curufin The Ñoldóran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 2,050	No, I'd missed that post. Haven't seen it, but I have heard of it. Don't know if it's really my kind of thing, though. __________________ Then Celegorm no more would stay, And Curufin smiled and turned away... ~The Lay of Leithian

04-11-2008, 03:12 AM	#292
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Fair enough... you ever want to give the elves a skip, then at least you've got a rec. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-14-2008, 09:34 AM	#293
frodomerryandaragornrock Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 36	Lotr ROX, no matter what any1 says!! i do say they changed many things, but the movies are already 3 hours long and i do agree the arwen dreams were a bit much, but most of the changes contribute to the movie, not take away from it.

07-16-2008, 04:30 AM	#295
Gordis Lady of the Ulairi Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 2,783	frodomerryandaragornrock: Could you, please elaborate: in what way the changes contribute to the movie.

07-17-2008, 08:50 PM	#296
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	There are so many it's difficult to know where to start. __________________ Don't curse the darkness - light a candle.

07-17-2008, 10:50 PM	#297
Meriadoc Brandybuck Magnificent Master of Buckland Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Buckland, U.S.A. Posts: 1,138	I just re-watched FotR and RotK extended for the first time in a long time. There are some parts where I still cringe when I watch them. But watching RotK after I watched the appendices made me have a much greater appreciation for the movies and all the minute details. __________________ But it is the way of my people to use light words at such times and say less than they mean. We fear to say to much. It robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place. -Meriadoc Brandybuck Is there anything I can do that wouldn't inconvenience me?.-Adrian Monk Hogan: What's a definate factor that we can count on? Newkirk: We don't know what we're doing. Do you wanna split a pineapple? -Shawn Spencer

07-18-2008, 05:12 AM	#298
Freeflying Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 21	I think part of the negative reception of the film is to do with its adaptation from the classic J. R. R. Tolkien book. I mean once you´ve read the book you have the pictures that YOU created - when the film doesn´t match up (which i think it woudl be hard to do) you feel cheated somewhat - especially as after the film, i find it hard to picture my original images. Last edited by Freeflying : 08-19-2008 at 11:43 AM.

07-18-2008, 09:48 AM	#300
The Dread Pirate Roberts Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 987	The images were actually not so bad. Though New Zealand isn't much like Europe, they did a passable job with the scenery, costuming, etc. It was the many, unnecessary changes in characters' personalities and motivations that were most egregious, IMO. __________________ ~The DPR "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

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