Eowyn or Arwen? - Page 15

Sicirus · 07-02-2002, 08:25 AM

yeh I liket Arwen in the little parts of the story she was in. In a way I think she gave Aragorn courage to overcome hard times in his journies. Plus she was wise and loving to her father as well as a good queen as far as I know.

samwiselvr2008 · 07-06-2002, 10:19 AM

Eowyn is ALOT better, i hate arwen, kill arwen, dround arwen, throw arwen of a kliff ect., i have this thing against Arwen, she always gets all of this credit, whene all she dose is marry aragorn, if i am rong then correct me, i only read THE HOBBIT, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS seriese, i also read the apendix part on arwen and aragorn, but still, she dose NOTHING! fill free to corect me on that!

arwen=

sorry for getting a little off the subject!

Aragorns Dimple · 07-08-2002, 08:58 AM

I agree, Tolkien should have written more about Arwen, but I guess he was tied up telling the guy's POV story. But he certainly created an AMAZING character in Eowyn, and even had that understanding of women where they get a crush on one guy, but end up falling for the other guy! How cool is that?

Christiana · 07-08-2002, 02:19 PM

olsonm · 07-08-2002, 06:37 PM

pov=point of veiw

olsonm · 07-08-2002, 06:43 PM

Tolkien didn't invent Arwen until he was almost done with the book. Consequently he didn't want to rewrite a large section of the story just to fit her in, so he found a way to place her unobtrusively in the story and put much of her story in the appendices.
Aragorn's Dimple has a point. We aren't told much about Arwen outside her relationship with Aragorn.

BeardofPants · 07-08-2002, 06:45 PM

Is this thread *still* going?! Geez, let all the hate go... It's not healthy!

arawn · 07-12-2002, 05:00 PM

Eowyn, definitely. She's got more character. I hope Faramir doesn't kill me

Eruviel Greenleaf · 07-12-2002, 06:57 PM

I don't think Faramir would kill you. . .he'd just be very smug that he was married to her

Erendis · 07-12-2002, 09:03 PM

If I had to choose, I would say Arwen. I don't really know why....I guess it's because I "met" her first.
It annoys me a little when people say they hate Arwen because she "stole" Glorfindel's part in the movie and she doesn't do anything. (*cough*ff.n authors *cough*) IMO, Arwen is a more developed character and actually does something worthwhile because of this.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 07-12-2002, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Erendis
IMO, Arwen is a more developed character and actually does something worthwhile because of this.

Um. . .how is she a more developed character? And how is her part more worthwile?

Mirahzi · 07-12-2002, 11:22 PM

She's more developed than she would have been if she hadn't rescued him. Similarly, she's more worthwhile.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 07-13-2002, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mirahzi
She's more developed than she would have been if she hadn't rescued him. Similarly, she's more worthwhile.

She rescues him in the movie. This is the book forum.

cassiopeia · 07-13-2002, 01:35 AM

I'm getting a bit confused about who people are talking about.

What does Arwen do in the book anyway, 'cept make a banner and marry the King? Eowyn kills the witch king! You can't say Arwen is a more developed character.

Erendis · 07-13-2002, 10:14 AM

I gave my opinion on who I liked better and then I went a little bit off topic...what I meant was it annoys me when people bash Arwen because she took Glorfindel's part in the movie and doesn't do much. But by taking Glorfindel out, they gave her something to do. *shrugs* Did that sound confusing? Sorry, if it is.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 07-13-2002, 01:48 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. . .but this is the book forum. Which means books, not movie. Which is why it's especially annoying when people say they hate Arwen.

Stalker in the Starlight · 07-13-2002, 07:48 PM

Personally, I'm more mad at the movie script writers than Arwen for stealing Glorfindel's part...but I digress...

I don't like Arwen because, even though she's an incredibly important character (Let's face it: she WAS Aragorn's motivation to become King of the Reunited Kingdoms), she doesn't get to do or say much. I don't mean 'do' much in the sense of 'go-out-there-with-a-sword-and-kick-some-tail', more along the lines of 'get mentioned'. She has a tiny non-speaking part in FOTR, and then she marries Aragorn and gives Frodo a necklace in ROTK...ehem. Whereas Eowyn's story is sad and beautiful in so many ways...every time I think about her, especially when she just wakes in the Houses of Healing and realizes that she has to continue to live with all her pain, I cry.

Considering Eowyn's part in LOTR is just one big angst fic, does it seem ironic to anyone else that her name means 'Horse-Joy'?

Translation of Eowyn's name can be found under her entry at the Encyclopedia of Arda, at:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm

Radagast The Brown · 07-14-2002, 02:54 PM

Eowyn more developed in the book, that's obvies. Arwen doesn't developed in the book but I liked her more. Eowyn annoyed me (as I wrote before).

Sicirus · 07-20-2002, 06:10 PM

) they are both good characters. They each have their difer parts to play to complete the story. Imagine if Arwen did stuff that Eowyn did. Then the story would be weird(I think

).
Anyway arwen & Eowyn both are great characters, but eowyn played a bigger part.
(plus Elrond would slice you if he existed)

**Nurvingiel** · 09-24-2002, 05:22 PM

Strictly speaking of the book here...

Eowyn has more character development, as well as killing the Nazgul Captain. This is not to say that Arwen isn't important. Aragorn's love for her makes him more human, instead of a lean, mean Ranger machine. (Not that he doesn't care about his friends too, but I digress.)

Also, Arwen deeply inspires Aragorn which is inferred from Aragorn's actions. Not a lot about her is described in the book and the reader has to assume a lot of things. But she is definately a kick ass Half-elf.

I love Arwen because she's mysterious and cool.

I love Eowyn because she kick major butt.
(Faramir also rocks, so the fact that they get together is a plus for both of them.)

Beard of Pants has a good point though. I'm not sure how long this thread has been going on, but we should leave movie-Arwen out of the thread altogether. Just because Liv Tyler had moments of lameness in the movie is no reason to dump on the beautiful and mysterious book-Arwen.

(In my mind, they are seperate entities unlike most other characters.)

07-02-2002, 08:25 AM	#281
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	yeh I liket Arwen in the little parts of the story she was in. In a way I think she gave Aragorn courage to overcome hard times in his journies. Plus she was wise and loving to her father as well as a good queen as far as I know. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

07-06-2002, 10:19 AM	#282
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	Eowyn is ALOT better, i hate arwen, kill arwen, dround arwen, throw arwen of a kliff ect., i have this thing against Arwen, she always gets all of this credit, whene all she dose is marry aragorn, if i am rong then correct me, i only read THE HOBBIT, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS seriese, i also read the apendix part on arwen and aragorn, but still, she dose NOTHING! fill free to corect me on that! arwen= sorry for getting a little off the subject! __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

07-08-2002, 08:58 AM	#283
Aragorns Dimple Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: On Viggo's Chin Posts: 77	I agree, Tolkien should have written more about Arwen, but I guess he was tied up telling the guy's POV story. But he certainly created an AMAZING character in Eowyn, and even had that understanding of women where they get a crush on one guy, but end up falling for the other guy! How cool is that? __________________ "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?" - Gollum

07-08-2002, 02:19 PM	#284
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	pov? __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

07-08-2002, 06:37 PM	#285
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	pov=point of veiw __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

07-08-2002, 06:43 PM	#286
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Tolkien didn't invent Arwen until he was almost done with the book. Consequently he didn't want to rewrite a large section of the story just to fit her in, so he found a way to place her unobtrusively in the story and put much of her story in the appendices. Aragorn's Dimple has a point. We aren't told much about Arwen outside her relationship with Aragorn. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

07-08-2002, 06:45 PM	#287
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Is this thread still going?! Geez, let all the hate go... It's not healthy! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-12-2002, 05:00 PM	#288
arawn Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The House of Elrond Posts: 9	Eowyn, definitely. She's got more character. I hope Faramir doesn't kill me __________________ "I will not say: do not weep, for not all tears are an evil" -Gandalf

07-12-2002, 06:57 PM	#289
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I don't think Faramir would kill you. . .he'd just be very smug that he was married to her __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

07-12-2002, 09:03 PM	#290
Erendis Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 11	If I had to choose, I would say Arwen. I don't really know why....I guess it's because I "met" her first. It annoys me a little when people say they hate Arwen because she "stole" Glorfindel's part in the movie and she doesn't do anything. (coughff.n authors cough) IMO, Arwen is a more developed character and actually does something worthwhile because of this. __________________ A Elentári Tintalle silmarin penda m?rea menello alcar eldion! Haiyanna palant?rina aldarembie endorillor Fanoiolosse, len linduvan nive ear, simen nive earon!

07-12-2002, 11:22 PM	#292
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	She's more developed than she would have been if she hadn't rescued him. Similarly, she's more worthwhile. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

07-13-2002, 01:35 AM	#294
cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I'm getting a bit confused about who people are talking about. What does Arwen do in the book anyway, 'cept make a banner and marry the King? Eowyn kills the witch king! You can't say Arwen is a more developed character. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

07-13-2002, 10:14 AM	#295
Erendis Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 11	I gave my opinion on who I liked better and then I went a little bit off topic...what I meant was it annoys me when people bash Arwen because she took Glorfindel's part in the movie and doesn't do much. But by taking Glorfindel out, they gave her something to do. shrugs Did that sound confusing? Sorry, if it is. __________________ A Elentári Tintalle silmarin penda m?rea menello alcar eldion! Haiyanna palant?rina aldarembie endorillor Fanoiolosse, len linduvan nive ear, simen nive earon!

07-13-2002, 01:48 PM	#296
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Thanks for clearing that up. . .but this is the book forum. Which means books, not movie. Which is why it's especially annoying when people say they hate Arwen. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

07-13-2002, 07:48 PM	#297
Stalker in the Starlight Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Right behind you! BOO! Posts: 24	Personally, I'm more mad at the movie script writers than Arwen for stealing Glorfindel's part...but I digress... I don't like Arwen because, even though she's an incredibly important character (Let's face it: she WAS Aragorn's motivation to become King of the Reunited Kingdoms), she doesn't get to do or say much. I don't mean 'do' much in the sense of 'go-out-there-with-a-sword-and-kick-some-tail', more along the lines of 'get mentioned'. She has a tiny non-speaking part in FOTR, and then she marries Aragorn and gives Frodo a necklace in ROTK...ehem. Whereas Eowyn's story is sad and beautiful in so many ways...every time I think about her, especially when she just wakes in the Houses of Healing and realizes that she has to continue to live with all her pain, I cry. Considering Eowyn's part in LOTR is just one big angst fic, does it seem ironic to anyone else that her name means 'Horse-Joy'? Translation of Eowyn's name can be found under her entry at the Encyclopedia of Arda, at: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm __________________ 'Where now the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing? Where is the hand on the harpstring, and the red fire glowing? Where is the spring and the harevest and the tall corn growing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like a wind in the meadow; The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. Who shall gather the smoke of the dead wood burning, Or behold the flowing years from the Sea returning?' -Lament of the Rohirrim, II 132-33 ~CARPE DIEM!~

07-14-2002, 02:54 PM	#298
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Eowyn more developed in the book, that's obvies. Arwen doesn't developed in the book but I liked her more. Eowyn annoyed me (as I wrote before). __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

07-20-2002, 06:10 PM	#299
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	) they are both good characters. They each have their difer parts to play to complete the story. Imagine if Arwen did stuff that Eowyn did. Then the story would be weird(I think ). Anyway arwen & Eowyn both are great characters, but eowyn played a bigger part. (plus Elrond would slice you if he existed) __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

09-24-2002, 05:22 PM	#300
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Trying to keep the book and movie seperate while I do this... Strictly speaking of the book here... Eowyn has more character development, as well as killing the Nazgul Captain. This is not to say that Arwen isn't important. Aragorn's love for her makes him more human, instead of a lean, mean Ranger machine. (Not that he doesn't care about his friends too, but I digress.) Also, Arwen deeply inspires Aragorn which is inferred from Aragorn's actions. Not a lot about her is described in the book and the reader has to assume a lot of things. But she is definately a kick ass Half-elf. I love Arwen because she's mysterious and cool. I love Eowyn because she kick major butt. (Faramir also rocks, so the fact that they get together is a plus for both of them.) Beard of Pants has a good point though. I'm not sure how long this thread has been going on, but we should leave movie-Arwen out of the thread altogether. Just because Liv Tyler had moments of lameness in the movie is no reason to dump on the beautiful and mysterious book-Arwen. (In my mind, they are seperate entities unlike most other characters.)

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