Favorite Elf-King? - Page 14

Arien the Maia · 12-07-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Maybe it's time to revive the 'Men of the Sil' thread.

I second that!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-07-2003, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Arien the Maia
I second that!

Me too. what a hilarious thread.

brownjenkins · 12-09-2003, 10:58 AM

i'd have to say Finrod and Fëanor, they seemed to be the most "human" characters to me... Finrod is an obvious choice, his selflessness on may occasions, bravery, etc.

Fëanor, while he certainly had his faults, is someone i can understand, he seemed to have a passion for life greater than any other, and i think his actions were more inspired by a yearning to be free (the "i'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven" thing) and grief for his father's death... everyone assumes that he was solely driven by a desire to get the silmarils back, but i think revenge for his father's death played a big, if not even bigger part in his decision (after all, he had already lost his mother, and it is easy to see how he might blame himself for that loss, as well as the loss of his father)... plus, if not for Fëanor, one would have to assume that all the lands outside of valinor would still be in the thrall of morgroth

Finrod Felagund · 12-09-2003, 01:40 PM

Hmmm...I dunno...I guess Id have to say (again!) Finrod Felagund!!!!!!!!!!!

Attalus · 12-12-2003, 03:24 PM

Well, Gil-Galad is more mysterious, but Finrod was selfless and upright, so I guess I'll go with him. Darn it, why didn't JRRT finish The Fall of Gil-Galad?

Ellesime Ganascient · 12-20-2003, 06:13 PM

i love Turgon
just love the hidded city of Gondolin
if only maeglin... grrrrrr !
But even Finrod is really cool !

Falagar · 12-20-2003, 06:34 PM

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Originally posted by Ellesime Ganascient
i love Turgon
just love the hidded city of Gondolin
if only maeglin... grrrrrr !
But even Finrod is really cool !

Even? SGH is not going to like this.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-20-2003, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
Even? SGH is not going to like this.

No kidding. What is with this even stuff? We all know that Finrod was the coolest. Turgon, well, he was a bit confused most of the time.

Turgon_Turambar · 12-23-2003, 10:25 AM

It can only be Fingolfin my daddy

***Valandil*** · 12-23-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
No kidding. What is with this even stuff? We all know that Finrod was the coolest. Turgon, well, he was a bit confused most of the time.

Turgon... he was like the 'ostrich' of the Elf Kings, wasn't he?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2003, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by Valandil
Turgon... he was like the 'ostrich' of the Elf Kings, wasn't he?

Exactly.

Artanis · 12-23-2003, 11:16 AM

Neneh. You have to love Turukáno for the last stand at the white tower.

Findekáno the valiant is also a favourite.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Artanis
Neneh. You have to love Turgon for the last stand at the white tower.

Fingon the valiant is also a favourite.

Well, next to Finrod, Fingon has always been my favorite.

Artanis · 12-23-2003, 11:20 AM

Good girl.

Hehe, I edited the names while you were posting. Those Quenya names are so beautiful.

Turgon_Turambar · 12-23-2003, 12:33 PM

I will have no bad mouthing of Turgon. what would you have wanted him to do??? come running out of Gondolin with a big sign on top of his head saying IM THE KING OF THE NOLDOR MORGOTH!!!! COME AND KILL ME!!!!!!!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Turgon_Turambar
I will have no bad mouthing of Turgon. what would you have wanted him to do??? come running out of Gondolin with a big sign on top of his head saying IM THE KING OF THE NOLDOR MORGOTH!!!! COME AND KILL ME!!!!!!!

LOL! Well, he didn't exactly make the wisest choice in the end, now did he?

brownjenkins · 12-23-2003, 02:01 PM

at the risk of eternal wrath from SGH, one could say that from a purely "do what is best for your people" point of view, Finrod's oath to Barahir and subsequent decision to personally fulfill it may have not been the best decision either

one can not doubt his heart... but i think he may have missed the bigger picture at that point... and his people certainly could have used his guidance later

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by brownjenkins
at the risk of eternal wrath from SGH, one could say that from a purely "do what is best for your people" point of view, Finrod's oath to Barahir and subsequent decision to personally fulfill it may have not been the best decision either

one can not doubt his heart... but i think he may have missed the bigger picture at that point... and his people certainly could have used his guidance later

Finrod's choice to swear an oath of abiding friendship and aid to Barahir and his kin, came from a life saving action that occurred on the battlefield years before. Finrod had no way of knowing when or if he would be called upon to fulfill the oath. When he was called upon, should he have been dishonorable and not aided Beren? Also, once the quest to fulfill the oath was revealed to his people, they were hardly receptive or supportive of their king. Not a very loyal lot i'd say, inspite of Feanor's sons influence when you consider all the years that Finrod as their king did do what was best for them.

brownjenkins · 12-24-2003, 11:33 AM

i agree... i was just comparing this with turgon... his downfall was trusting his grandson, also a very honorable sentiment

i understand the oath, but i think that during the beren incident finrod should have anticipated trouble with celegorm and curufin and taken care of them first... if this was done it is likely that he could have put together a much larger party to accompany beren and he may have not had to personally take part in it... or if he did, he may not have perished

we do see this theme over and over again, the downfall of the great a result of being too trusting (even the valar made this mistake with melkor)... it doesn't make turgon and finrod bad rulers, just "human"

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-24-2003, 11:45 AM

Human?

Well, I believe Turgon's downfall was due to his pride more than anything. I would be interested in hearing how you think Finrod could have taken care of Feanor's sons at that point. Remember, they came to Nargothrond for refuge with many of their people and swelloed its strength. Finrod tells Beren that they had won a strong rule in the kingdom.

12-09-2003, 01:40 PM	#264
Finrod Felagund King of Nargothrond Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada! eh? Posts: 2,002	Hmmm...I dunno...I guess Id have to say (again!) Finrod Felagund!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "THE EAGLES ARE COMING, THE EAGLES ARE COMING......AND A MOTH!!!!!"

12-12-2003, 03:24 PM	#265
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Well, Gil-Galad is more mysterious, but Finrod was selfless and upright, so I guess I'll go with him. Darn it, why didn't JRRT finish The Fall of Gil-Galad? __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

12-23-2003, 10:25 AM	#269
Turgon_Turambar Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The depths of Thangorodrim Posts: 145	It can only be Fingolfin my daddy __________________ GOD SENT ME TO PISS THE WORLD OFF!!!!!!!!!!

12-23-2003, 11:16 AM	#272
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Neneh. You have to love Turukáno for the last stand at the white tower. Findekáno the valiant is also a favourite. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die. Last edited by Artanis : 12-23-2003 at 11:18 AM.

12-23-2003, 11:20 AM	#274
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Good girl. Hehe, I edited the names while you were posting. Those Quenya names are so beautiful. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

12-09-2003, 10:58 AM	#263
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	i'd have to say Finrod and Fëanor, they seemed to be the most "human" characters to me... Finrod is an obvious choice, his selflessness on may occasions, bravery, etc. Fëanor, while he certainly had his faults, is someone i can understand, he seemed to have a passion for life greater than any other, and i think his actions were more inspired by a yearning to be free (the "i'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven" thing) and grief for his father's death... everyone assumes that he was solely driven by a desire to get the silmarils back, but i think revenge for his father's death played a big, if not even bigger part in his decision (after all, he had already lost his mother, and it is easy to see how he might blame himself for that loss, as well as the loss of his father)... plus, if not for Fëanor, one would have to assume that all the lands outside of valinor would still be in the thrall of morgroth

12-20-2003, 06:13 PM	#266
Ellesime Ganascient Sapling Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4	i love Turgon just love the hidded city of Gondolin if only maeglin... grrrrrr ! But even Finrod is really cool !

12-23-2003, 12:33 PM	#275
Turgon_Turambar Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The depths of Thangorodrim Posts: 145	I will have no bad mouthing of Turgon. what would you have wanted him to do??? come running out of Gondolin with a big sign on top of his head saying IM THE KING OF THE NOLDOR MORGOTH!!!! COME AND KILL ME!!!!!!! __________________ GOD SENT ME TO PISS THE WORLD OFF!!!!!!!!!!

12-23-2003, 02:01 PM	#277
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	at the risk of eternal wrath from SGH, one could say that from a purely "do what is best for your people" point of view, Finrod's oath to Barahir and subsequent decision to personally fulfill it may have not been the best decision either one can not doubt his heart... but i think he may have missed the bigger picture at that point... and his people certainly could have used his guidance later __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

12-24-2003, 11:33 AM	#279
brownjenkins Advocatus Diaboli Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reality Posts: 3,767	i agree... i was just comparing this with turgon... his downfall was trusting his grandson, also a very honorable sentiment i understand the oath, but i think that during the beren incident finrod should have anticipated trouble with celegorm and curufin and taken care of them first... if this was done it is likely that he could have put together a much larger party to accompany beren and he may have not had to personally take part in it... or if he did, he may not have perished we do see this theme over and over again, the downfall of the great a result of being too trusting (even the valar made this mistake with melkor)... it doesn't make turgon and finrod bad rulers, just "human" __________________ Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.

12-24-2003, 11:45 AM	#280
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Human? Well, I believe Turgon's downfall was due to his pride more than anything. I would be interested in hearing how you think Finrod could have taken care of Feanor's sons at that point. Remember, they came to Nargothrond for refuge with many of their people and swelloed its strength. Finrod tells Beren that they had won a strong rule in the kingdom. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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