Eowyn or Arwen? - Page 14

Sicirus · 06-26-2002, 09:09 AM

I like Eowyn better than Arwen. Eowyn is brave and pure hearted enough to fight for her country.

Mirahzi · 06-26-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sicirus
Eowyn is brave and pure hearted enough to fight for her country.

You say that as if Arwen isn't..

Sicirus · 06-26-2002, 09:56 PM

Would Arwen go out into battle?
I mean by that is Eowyn went out to battle and took the chance. Arwen (I think)did not attempt to go out. I think she is pure hearted and would protect her country in anyway her father aloud her.

Mirahzi · 06-27-2002, 12:41 AM

You're right.. but I guess I wouldn't phrase it that way..
I'm not trying to take away from her glory, but it wasn't bravery that drew her to battle, more like a broken heart that shoved her towards war.
And also, when you say "took the chance" (I'm assuming you're referring to death).. it seems as if she feared for her life.. which she did not.

***Khamûl*** · 06-27-2002, 12:53 AM

I agree with you Mirahzi. I think Eowyn was slightly suicidal when she went into battle. She would have welcomed death.

Mirahzi · 06-27-2002, 12:56 AM

Hehe.. "slightly" is a bit of an understatement

One has to be a bit more than 'slightly suicidal' to openly defy the Nazgul Lord

(Except, of course, in rare cases)

***Khamûl*** · 06-27-2002, 01:15 AM

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the face of one who goes seeking death, having no hope.

You know, saying she was slightly suicidal was a bit of an understatement.

Full-blown suicidal and criminally insane is more like it.

hama1 · 06-27-2002, 01:23 AM

Eowyn clearly sought death in battle due to her unrequited love of Aragorn. So yes she was "suicidal." She also remarks to Faramir in the House of Healing that she "will be a shieldmaiden no more" when she realizes that she has fallen in love with him (Faramir). But criminally insane I think not. Also, I think her facing down the Lord of the Nazgul was motivated by her love of Theoden more than her desire for death. That desire drove her to take on the persona of Dernhelm but it was a more noble instinct that led her to defend Theoden. IMHO...

***Khamûl*** · 06-27-2002, 01:37 AM

I said that last part as an exaggeration, and didn't really expect anyone to take it seriously. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Olegson · 06-27-2002, 04:49 PM

In me country people often say:
" the other's soul is darkness"

As for me, I think than Eowyn's behaviour can be called suicidal.
Though, she didn' want to comiete a suicide as itself, she just supposed it the best way for herself.
That's the result of brainless, nothing to do with this case.

Sicirus · 06-27-2002, 05:57 PM

i don't blame her for suicide. many people think about it. But she really did not like to be left back during war.

Celandine · 06-27-2002, 06:11 PM

I like Eowyn better. Arwen seems, too perfect. I think Arwen sems more of the sit at home sewing kind of person. Eowyn seems kind of the oppisite of that.

Christiana · 06-27-2002, 06:41 PM

Arwen wanted to help Aragorn,so she helped him in the only way she could.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 06-28-2002, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by Christiana
Arwen wanted to help Aragorn,so she helped him in the only way she could.

Er, she tried to help him. . .

Olegson · 06-28-2002, 01:18 PM

See.
Eowyn is some kind of typical Rider, their face.
And Arwen's thee same for Elves.
D'you all mean that you like Riders more then Elves???????

And if you're arguing about what kind of woman do you like more,
the point is that there are a lot of ways to show bravery! It's a stupid thing to think it was bravery - the reason why Eowyn left home. She was afraid of her fate, and she chose the most simple way to end it. It wasn't bravery.

Radagast The Brown · 06-28-2002, 04:40 PM

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originally posted by OlegsonSee.
Eowyn is some kind of typical Rider, their face.
And Arwen's thee same for Elves.
D'you all mean that you like Riders more then Elves???????

I disagree. Eowyn does not a reguler Rider (and not a hero too). She had a personalty, and she was different, and a fighter, not like all the other women. Arwen is like a reguler elf.

Olegson · 06-29-2002, 05:53 AM

Dear Radagast!
I am sure that any rider in Eowyn's shoes would do the same!
Wonder if Eomer would stay at home, or Hama.
They'd ALL do like this!

Christiana · 06-29-2002, 03:30 PM

Not all,mabye only the House of Eorl.

Olegson · 07-01-2002, 01:25 PM

o'coz I mean this, but does it change the sence????
Any nation has different people

olsonm · 07-01-2002, 10:06 PM

I think people are being a little harsh on Arwen given that we know so little about her. Everybody fawns over Glorfindel but he stayed in Rivendell. I don't think we know enough about Arwen to say that she was this way or that (though I find it hard to believe that any elf, regardless of gender, would be a wilting flower).
It's perfectly understandable why people tend to prefer Eowyn; she's a more fully developed character in the narrative.

06-26-2002, 09:09 AM	#261
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	I like Eowyn better than Arwen. Eowyn is brave and pure hearted enough to fight for her country. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

06-26-2002, 09:56 PM	#263
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	Would Arwen go out into battle? I mean by that is Eowyn went out to battle and took the chance. Arwen (I think)did not attempt to go out. I think she is pure hearted and would protect her country in anyway her father aloud her. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

06-27-2002, 12:41 AM	#264
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	You're right.. but I guess I wouldn't phrase it that way.. I'm not trying to take away from her glory, but it wasn't bravery that drew her to battle, more like a broken heart that shoved her towards war. And also, when you say "took the chance" (I'm assuming you're referring to death).. it seems as if she feared for her life.. which she did not. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

06-27-2002, 12:53 AM	#265
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I agree with you Mirahzi. I think Eowyn was slightly suicidal when she went into battle. She would have welcomed death. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

06-27-2002, 12:56 AM	#266
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	Hehe.. "slightly" is a bit of an understatement One has to be a bit more than 'slightly suicidal' to openly defy the Nazgul Lord (Except, of course, in rare cases) __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

06-27-2002, 01:23 AM	#268
hama1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NY and MA Posts: 133	Eowyn clearly sought death in battle due to her unrequited love of Aragorn. So yes she was "suicidal." She also remarks to Faramir in the House of Healing that she "will be a shieldmaiden no more" when she realizes that she has fallen in love with him (Faramir). But criminally insane I think not. Also, I think her facing down the Lord of the Nazgul was motivated by her love of Theoden more than her desire for death. That desire drove her to take on the persona of Dernhelm but it was a more noble instinct that led her to defend Theoden. IMHO...

06-27-2002, 01:37 AM	#269
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	I said that last part as an exaggeration, and didn't really expect anyone to take it seriously. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

06-27-2002, 04:49 PM	#270
Olegson Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St.-Petersburg Posts: 17	The other's sole In me country people often say: " the other's soul is darkness" As for me, I think than Eowyn's behaviour can be called suicidal. Though, she didn' want to comiete a suicide as itself, she just supposed it the best way for herself. That's the result of brainless, nothing to do with this case. __________________ -------------------------- If you're irish, write me.

06-27-2002, 05:57 PM	#271
Sicirus Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Down the road on your left...No your other left. Posts: 1,825	i don't blame her for suicide. many people think about it. But she really did not like to be left back during war. __________________ "I know less then half of you half as well as I should like. And I like less then half of you half as well as you deserve." Bilbo Baggins

06-27-2002, 06:11 PM	#272
Celandine Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 168	I like Eowyn better. Arwen seems, too perfect. I think Arwen sems more of the sit at home sewing kind of person. Eowyn seems kind of the oppisite of that.

06-27-2002, 06:41 PM	#273
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Arwen wanted to help Aragorn,so she helped him in the only way she could. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

06-28-2002, 01:18 PM	#275
Olegson Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St.-Petersburg Posts: 17	at last See. Eowyn is some kind of typical Rider, their face. And Arwen's thee same for Elves. D'you all mean that you like Riders more then Elves??????? And if you're arguing about what kind of woman do you like more, the point is that there are a lot of ways to show bravery! It's a stupid thing to think it was bravery - the reason why Eowyn left home. She was afraid of her fate, and she chose the most simple way to end it. It wasn't bravery. __________________ -------------------------- If you're irish, write me.

06-29-2002, 05:53 AM	#277
Olegson Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St.-Petersburg Posts: 17	Carefuly Dear Radagast! I am sure that any rider in Eowyn's shoes would do the same! Wonder if Eomer would stay at home, or Hama. They'd ALL do like this! __________________ -------------------------- If you're irish, write me.

06-29-2002, 03:30 PM	#278
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	Not all,mabye only the House of Eorl. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

07-01-2002, 01:25 PM	#279
Olegson Hobbit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St.-Petersburg Posts: 17	yea o'coz I mean this, but does it change the sence???? Any nation has different people __________________ -------------------------- If you're irish, write me.

07-01-2002, 10:06 PM	#280
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	I think people are being a little harsh on Arwen given that we know so little about her. Everybody fawns over Glorfindel but he stayed in Rivendell. I don't think we know enough about Arwen to say that she was this way or that (though I find it hard to believe that any elf, regardless of gender, would be a wilting flower). It's perfectly understandable why people tend to prefer Eowyn; she's a more fully developed character in the narrative. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

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