Classical Music II - Page 12

Mercutio · 10-11-2006, 07:33 PM

Hey I'll get back in here in a few days...a lot of college stuff recently.

trolls' bane · 10-12-2006, 09:43 PM

Dr. Pangloss has all the good lines. Because of which, he now serves as who I model Doctor Geldhoff in ZAQ-1 after. Without all the "Best of all possible worlds," stuff.

hectorberlioz · 10-16-2006, 04:02 PM

Candide? Voltaire? Bernstein's Opera?

trolls' bane · 10-16-2006, 09:09 PM

Dr. Pangloss:
"...the love that reigns in heaven above
is mirrored in the marriage of
Candide and Cunegonde."

Chorus:
"Candide and Cunegonde!"

That answer your question?

...

So that's what Hornpipe from the Water Music sounds like. Ha!

hectorberlioz · 10-18-2006, 08:58 PM

I have some excerpts, it's... not always my type of thing.

I did listen to all of Monteverdi's "Vespro della Beata Vergine" today, as well as Rachmaninov's "All-Night Vigil"

trolls' bane · 10-18-2006, 10:01 PM

That's apparently all that exists in the recording world: excerpts. It's apparently not well known.
Oh, what's that song that goes:
"What I say's not what I feel,
What I feel's not what I show,
What I show isn't real,
What is real--Lord, I don't know!"
I've searched half the internet for that one, just to hear it again.

hectorberlioz · 10-18-2006, 10:04 PM

Well, Live performances of classical are not "excerpts"...you can enjoy the coughing of the frontrow as much as you can the coughing of the tuba...

trolls' bane · 10-18-2006, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Well, Live performances of classical are not "excerpts"...you can enjoy the coughing of the frontrow as much as you can the coughing of the tuba...

What's that about live performances? Where'd that one come from!?

You mean they actually play classical music live!?

I knew there was a reason my parents take the long route around the Hollywood Bowl front sign.

hectorberlioz · 10-18-2006, 10:19 PM

...I forgot to mention I was talking about RECORDINGS

TB! Post here ,and then post THERE, and we can speed this up...

***Tessar*** · 10-23-2006, 10:21 PM

*sigh* I'm trying to learn (what we assume to be) Bach's Prelude and Fuge in C Major for the organ... what a pain! It's not that difficult, on the one hand, but it's giving me a devil of a time.

Bach should be glad we can't know for sure if he actually wrote it or not... if I knew it was him, I'd dig him up and make him rewrite the thing to be more easily played

.

***Fat middle*** · 10-24-2006, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Added:

Haydn: Trumpet and Horn Concertos/Warren-Green/Nimbus

Btw....I've really come to a fork in the road. Bach's St Matthew, which I was supposed to get a long time ago, has so many good recordings! On one hand I want to listen to FM about the Solti, but the Gardiner

looks so tempting! And what about Klemperer? And McCreesh?

Sorry for not responding for so long.

It's a long time ago that I moved in my preferences about St. Matthew from Solti to Gardiner. I would also reccomend Suzuki's version.

Haven't listened to McCreesh, but if I recall correctly, it's a OVPP (one voice per part) version (like that disc by Rifkin. I'm glad you liked it). I'm not sure I would like the OVPP take in St. Matthews...

***Fat middle*** · 10-24-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Vivaldi: The Four Seasons & Other concertos....now why would I get this? Is Vivaldi that special to me? Well...

1) He is definitely becoming a great fav of mine. I admit, his music can be pretty much the same, but what saves it from bieng anathema is the energy of it, energy that matches even Bach. I wouldn't elevate him to Bach's status, but is the rightful Third of the Baroque Three.

I agree. And I reccomend you also his vocal works Gloria , Magnificat , Stabat Mater and others.

hectorberlioz · 10-24-2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat middle

I agree. And I reccomend you also his vocal works Gloria , Magnificat , Stabat Mater and others.

I have one of the Glorias (the less famous one, presumably, on Naxos label)...I do need to get the Magnificat too

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat middle

Sorry for not responding for so long.

It's a long time ago that I moved in my preferences about St. Matthew from Solti to Gardiner. I would also reccomend Suzuki's version.

Haven't listened to McCreesh, but if I recall correctly, it's a OVPP (one voice per part) version (like that disc by Rifkin. I'm glad you liked it). I'm not sure I would like the OVPP take in St. Matthews...

Long time? It's been ages!

So you've switched over to Gradiner eh? I have to say, Solti's "Missa Solemnis" was something of a bore. I couldn't understand why everyone was raving about Beethoven's Mass...until I got the Gardiner version

. One of the best things I've heard.

BTW, I've really grown to love my Klemperer Bach Mass in B minor. It is large-scale, but IMO, it comes off very well. I do want to listen to Gardiner's version of that as well.

All I know about McCreesh is this: his Messiah is awesome. I've listened to Neville Marriner's, and Robert Shaw's versions, and each has it's own value, but the McCreesh really shines.

The Rifkin Bach Cantatas are great...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tessar

*sigh* I'm trying to learn (what we assume to be) Bach's Prelude and Fuge in C Major for the organ... what a pain! It's not that difficult, on the one hand, but it's giving me a devil of a time.

Bach should be glad we can't know for sure if he actually wrote it or not... if I knew it was him, I'd dig him up and make him rewrite the thing to be more easily played

.

He'd probably laugh at you...

BTW, are you guys learning it for organ or singing?

Hmm...singing the C major Prelude and Fugue would be something quite...strange.

trolls' bane · 10-25-2006, 10:02 PM

Anyone notice that the radio is playing the very compositions you've been listening the most to?
This week so far, KUSC has played an excerpt from the Carmina Burana (although they talked over it trying to pscyh you into pledging ten dollars a month), the Hornpipe, Jupiter from the Planets, and others.

hectorberlioz · 10-26-2006, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trolls' bane

Anyone notice that the radio is playing the very compositions you've been listening the most to?
This week so far, KUSC has played an excerpt from the Carmina Burana (although they talked over it trying to pscyh you into pledging ten dollars a month), the Hornpipe, Jupiter from the Planets, and others.

That's because those are ALWAYS the ones they play...

Seriously, the station that carries NPR down here, it programmes Bach's Brandenburg Concertos, Orchestral Suites, and Violin Concertos about 60% of the time each year. I love Bach, but isn't that a bit much?

Mercutio · 10-26-2006, 07:14 PM

This new Messiah looks amazing.

hectorberlioz · 10-26-2006, 08:46 PM

Yeah! I was reading about it on Naxos.com just yesterday

...I'm also happy because Naxos' Buxtehude Organ series is finished, cheap and a findable

.

I have Vol.3, which is good. I also have Vol.2 from another series (Ornament label, Ernst-Erich Stender) which has a better organ, but these are a little harder to collect, I imagine.

***Fat middle*** · 10-27-2006, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hectorberlioz

Long time? It's been ages!

So you've switched over to Gradiner eh? I have to say, Solti's "Missa Solemnis" was something of a bore. I couldn't understand why everyone was raving about Beethoven's Mass...until I got the Gardiner version

. One of the best things I've heard.

BTW, I've really grown to love my Klemperer Bach Mass in B minor. It is large-scale, but IMO, it comes off very well. I do want to listen to Gardiner's version of that as well.

All I know about McCreesh is this: his Messiah is awesome. I've listened to Neville Marriner's, and Robert Shaw's versions, and each has it's own value, but the McCreesh really shines.

Okay, then I'm putting McCreesh's Messiah and Gardiner's Missa Solemnis in my list, but you better put Klemperer's Missa Solemnis in yours (totally terrific!!!) and perpaps also Levine's. Yes I'm not kidding, Levine did a wonderful job in that recording. The tenor is Domingo.

trolls' bane · 10-27-2006, 11:14 PM

Classical-Vent: Can't seem to keep my files organized. And, thanks to a problem transferring my music from my old hard drive, and my bad habit of leaving CDs out of their cases, I've lost half of the music I have on CD.

hectorberlioz · 10-30-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat middle

Okay, then I'm putting McCreesh's Messiah and Gardiner's Missa Solemnis in my list, but you better put Klemperer's Missa Solemnis in yours (totally terrific!!!) and perpaps also Levine's. Yes I'm not kidding, Levine did a wonderful job in that recording. The tenor is Domingo.

If memory serves me right...you previously complained about Klemperer's "Missa Solemnis" and were looking for an alternative

. I'll put it on my list

. Levine? Seems somewhat unusual...but I trust you enough...and Domingo shines in just about everything... Levine's "The Planets" aren't too bad either...

The next recording of the Missa Solemnis that was on my list was one of the two Toscanini readings. I hear he could really sound it out...
BTW, I haven't heard it yet myself, but there IS a Missa Solemnis reading by the Nashville SO, under Schermerhorn, which I am curious about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trolls' bane

Classical-Vent: Can't seem to keep my files organized. And, thanks to a problem transferring my music from my old hard drive, and my bad habit of leaving CDs out of their cases, I've lost half of the music I have on CD.

TB, you have GOT TO GET Leonard Bernstein's Symphony No.2...it's just your type of thing, you'll love it!

10-11-2006, 07:33 PM	#221
Mercutio Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Narnia Posts: 1,656	Hey I'll get back in here in a few days...a lot of college stuff recently. __________________ Mike nodded. A sombre nod. The nod Napoleon might have given if somebody had met him in 1812 and said, "So, you're back from Moscow, eh?". Interested in C.S. Lewis? Visit the forum dedicated to one of Tolkien's greatest contemporaries.

10-12-2006, 09:43 PM	#222
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Dr. Pangloss has all the good lines. Because of which, he now serves as who I model Doctor Geldhoff in ZAQ-1 after. Without all the "Best of all possible worlds," stuff. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-16-2006, 04:02 PM	#223
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Candide? Voltaire? Bernstein's Opera? __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

10-16-2006, 09:09 PM	#224
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Dr. Pangloss: "...the love that reigns in heaven above is mirrored in the marriage of Candide and Cunegonde." Chorus: "Candide and Cunegonde!" That answer your question? ... So that's what Hornpipe from the Water Music sounds like. Ha! __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-18-2006, 08:58 PM	#225
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	I have some excerpts, it's... not always my type of thing. I did listen to all of Monteverdi's "Vespro della Beata Vergine" today, as well as Rachmaninov's "All-Night Vigil" __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

10-18-2006, 10:01 PM	#226
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	That's apparently all that exists in the recording world: excerpts. It's apparently not well known. Oh, what's that song that goes: "What I say's not what I feel, What I feel's not what I show, What I show isn't real, What is real--Lord, I don't know!" I've searched half the internet for that one, just to hear it again. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-18-2006, 10:04 PM	#227
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Well, Live performances of classical are not "excerpts"...you can enjoy the coughing of the frontrow as much as you can the coughing of the tuba... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

10-18-2006, 10:19 PM	#229
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	...I forgot to mention I was talking about RECORDINGS TB! Post here ,and then post THERE, and we can speed this up... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 10-18-2006 at 10:33 PM.

10-23-2006, 10:21 PM	#230
*Tessar* Master and Wielder of the Cardboard Harp of Gondor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: IM IN UR POSTZ, EDITIN' UR WURDZ Posts: 6,433	sigh I'm trying to learn (what we assume to be) Bach's Prelude and Fuge in C Major for the organ... what a pain! It's not that difficult, on the one hand, but it's giving me a devil of a time. Bach should be glad we can't know for sure if he actually wrote it or not... if I knew it was him, I'd dig him up and make him rewrite the thing to be more easily played .

10-25-2006, 10:02 PM	#234
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Anyone notice that the radio is playing the very compositions you've been listening the most to? This week so far, KUSC has played an excerpt from the Carmina Burana (although they talked over it trying to pscyh you into pledging ten dollars a month), the Hornpipe, Jupiter from the Planets, and others. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

10-26-2006, 07:14 PM	#236
Mercutio Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Narnia Posts: 1,656	This new Messiah looks amazing. __________________ Mike nodded. A sombre nod. The nod Napoleon might have given if somebody had met him in 1812 and said, "So, you're back from Moscow, eh?". Interested in C.S. Lewis? Visit the forum dedicated to one of Tolkien's greatest contemporaries.

10-26-2006, 08:46 PM	#237
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Yeah! I was reading about it on Naxos.com just yesterday...I'm also happy because Naxos' Buxtehude Organ series is finished, cheap and a findable . I have Vol.3, which is good. I also have Vol.2 from another series (Ornament label, Ernst-Erich Stender) which has a better organ, but these are a little harder to collect, I imagine. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

10-27-2006, 11:14 PM	#239
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Classical-Vent: Can't seem to keep my files organized. And, thanks to a problem transferring my music from my old hard drive, and my bad habit of leaving CDs out of their cases, I've lost half of the music I have on CD. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

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