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Old 04-05-2008, 02:51 PM   #201
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FTR, how do you measure a 'real' fan? By what yard stick to we all have to measure up before we become 'true fans' in your eyes?
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:14 PM   #202
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*breathy sigh, bats eyes*

Did someone mention Orlando Bloom? *Sigh* I have a giant poster of his adorable face gazing past a longbow, right now. *blows kisses*

Gee. People who are obsessed with the cutenes of movie actors are so entirely different from people who are obsessed with imaginary mythology.

added to say, great minds think alike, BoP. But let's try to be nice. This one's a good'un.
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Old 04-05-2008, 03:20 PM   #203
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does her I-AM-SUPERIOR-COS-I-LIKED-TOLKIEN-BEFORE-THE-MOVIES-DANCE


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Gee. People who are obsessed with the cutenes of movie actors are so entirely different from people who are obsessed with imaginary mythology.
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #204
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FTR, how do you measure a 'real' fan? By what yard stick to we all have to measure up before we become 'true fans' in your eyes?
Just read this and realized that I sounded far snottier in my post than I meant to. There's what comes from talking on the phone and posting at the same time. I apologize to anyone I offended.

It's not my place to judge who is a 'true fan' and who isn't. The one place I would draw the line is that I wouldn't consider people who have just seen the movies and not read one word of Tolkien and have no intention of doing so as being Tolkien fans. Movie fans, perhaps. Lord of the Rings fans - might be stretching it, but I could be convinced.

As for people who have read the books - who am I to judge who is a true fan or not? Some decisions are better left to Eru and the fan themselves.
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:57 PM   #205
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On PURPOSE? Great heavens, where?
Eru, I keep missing posts!

Let's see, where.

New York. Chicago. Cincinnati. Dayton. Philadelphia. Greenville, SC. Tampa. New Orleans. Louisville, KY. Bloomington, IN. Kalamazoo, MI. Milwaukee, WI. Peoria, IL, Evansville, IN.

And I generally saw it more than once (up to four times) in one place.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:10 PM   #206
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I know I'm only going to embarrass myself with this next post but Curufin, my good man, as someone who was a total Tolkien/LOTR freak by at least several years before you were born, it is my distinguished opinion, as "a venerable and true LOTR fan," that PJ's movies, while imperfect, are wonderful to have available to us. But what the heck do I know, anyway, I like Jimi's version of All Along the Watchtower, too.

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Old 04-05-2008, 06:17 PM   #207
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*does her I-AM-SUPERIOR-COS-I-LIKED-TOLKIEN-BEFORE-THE-MOVIES-DANCE
*remembers when this actually still was an issue here on the 'moot*

There's enough to find as fault in the movies and -I think- enough to enjoy but if they hadn't been there, we'd have had a good couple of years without any movie to talk about! Real fans or no.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:21 PM   #208
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I never meant to accuse anyone here of not being a fan. Please don't think I did.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:25 PM   #209
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If you're replying to my post, then have no worries. If you're replying to Jon S. then I think you shouldn't worry too much either, if the smiley is anything to go by.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:27 PM   #210
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Good.

I guess it's perhaps that us New-to-Tolkien purists feel the need to prove ourselves, and sometimes we can get a bit...over-enthusiastic about it. Especially when we found Tolkien through the movies to start with.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:02 PM   #211
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Trust me, Curu, everyone here (well, maybe one exception ) who has talked to you is just raggin' on you a little. A baptism of fire, it ain't. And I never before "met" anyone who did the Phish thing with Les Miz.

You should see some of MY scars from early posting here.

I might have to draw up a rocker next to me here for Jon S., though. Pleased ta meetcha.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:06 PM   #212
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I'll second that sentiment. I practically limp. It's always good to get some new people in once in a while though.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:07 PM   #213
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Wow, what a busy day in this thread! Funny, I seem to agree with Curufin regarding the movies and with sis..etc. about HoME.

I feel like the great majority of Tolkien's work that was worth publishing got published in the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales (even parts of UT aren't great, IMO). HoME is interesting and a useful resource but I don't feel that it needs to supersede what was published in the instances where they disagree. For instance, I feel that the concept of Gil-Galad being the son of Fingon holds as much weight as him being the son of Orodreth.

I'm going to wax philosophical a bit here and say that once something is written, it exists; in some universe it IS. An alternative may be subsequently created but the first draft always is and in some sense must always be. This is especially so if the former is published, because the more read a story is (or version of a story) the more minds that reality inhabits, adding substance and validity to that particular world.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:31 PM   #214
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Yes, from 1999-2001 I was a Les Mis groupie.

DPR - What about essays like Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, which I think is the most beautiful thing Tolkien ever wrote?
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:39 PM   #215
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Wow, what a busy day in this thread! Funny, I seem to agree with Curufin regarding the movies and with sis..etc. about HoME.

I feel like the great majority of Tolkien's work that was worth publishing got published in the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales (even parts of UT aren't great, IMO). HoME is interesting and a useful resource but I don't feel that it needs to supersede what was published in the instances where they disagree. For instance, I feel that the concept of Gil-Galad being the son of Fingon holds as much weight as him being the son of Orodreth.

I'm going to wax philosophical a bit here and say that once something is written, it exists; in some universe it IS. An alternative may be subsequently created but the first draft always is and in some sense must always be. This is especially so if the former is published, because the more read a story is (or version of a story) the more minds that reality inhabits, adding substance and validity to that particular world.
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I'll second that sentiment. I practically limp. It's always good to get some new people in once in a while though.
I might have administered some of those. Sorry, my friend. (((HUGS))))

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Yes, from 1999-2001 I was a Les Mis groupie.

DPR - What about essays like Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, which I think is the most beautiful thing Tolkien ever wrote?
lol. Yeah. We'd picked that up.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:50 PM   #216
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Hey curu, no worries. You never lived through some of the older purist/non-purist debates back in the day when the movies first came out... Now those were scarring.

What was it back then, earn? "If you weren't on entmoot before the movies came out, you weren't really a real tolkien fan", lol. How times change.
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Old 04-05-2008, 07:53 PM   #217
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Not on Entmoot, but I did, actually, on another board. And then I was on the other side. I know how nasty they get. And I got really tired of that argument myself. But I guess as the years have passed and I've read more and more, the movies have lost their magic, and the books have gained magic, and I've switched sides.
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Old 04-05-2008, 08:00 PM   #218
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I might have administered some of those. Sorry, my friend. (((HUGS))))
Is okay, my friend. It all worked (((HUG BACK)))
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What about essays like Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth...?
That's why I was careful to say "the great majority." I first typed "all" then changed it to "almost everything" and finally decided on "the great majority." There is good stuff in HoME but clearly most of the best of it went into The Silmarillion first, and Unfinished Tales second.

[Note: I'm going to read Athrabeth this weekend. I'll be glad to speak to it further during the course of next week.]
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I really enjoyed those Purist Rage threads... those were the days.
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