Doraith, its sacking and Galadriel and Co.

afro-elf · 03-18-2002, 03:25 PM

I believe that Oropher , Thrandruil, Celeborn and Galadriel resided at Doriath. What did they do when Doraith was sacked? Were they even there? Where they valiant defenders who drove the Dwarves away?

Ñólendil · 03-18-2002, 05:48 PM

Oropher was there, it's not certain whether or not Thranduil had been born yet. I don't think anyone really knows what part they played, but I imagine it was valiant ones. Good hypothetical question. I wonder if they were involved in getting Nimloth and Elwing to safety. If they were involved in driving Dwarves away they evidently didn't do very well. Menegroth was, after all, completely destroyed.

markedel · 03-18-2002, 06:17 PM

The Doriath story being non canonical means it isn't as clearly constructed.

Ñólendil · 03-18-2002, 09:54 PM

Pardon?

Wayfarer · 03-18-2002, 09:57 PM

What he meant to say is: "It's petty messed up."

My money is on them being there and escaping.

Ñólendil · 03-18-2002, 11:39 PM

Well if they were there they certainly escaped, or Oropher, Celeborn and Galadriel would never have made it beyond the First Age.

Findegil · 03-19-2002, 08:19 AM

If I remember rightly than Galadriel reveals in The Lord of the Ring that she wandered over Ered Luin before the Fall of Doriath.

Regrads
Findegil

markedel · 03-19-2002, 08:32 PM

The fall of doriath in the Silmarillion is essentially an editorial contruction. That makes its structure problamatic.

Wayfarer · 03-19-2002, 10:30 PM

You know, I often stilt my language for the fun of it, but sometimes it's better to just use plain english.

03-18-2002, 03:25 PM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Doraith, its sacking and Galadriel and Co. I believe that Oropher , Thrandruil, Celeborn and Galadriel resided at Doriath. What did they do when Doraith was sacked? Were they even there? Where they valiant defenders who drove the Dwarves away? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-18-2002, 05:48 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Oropher was there, it's not certain whether or not Thranduil had been born yet. I don't think anyone really knows what part they played, but I imagine it was valiant ones. Good hypothetical question. I wonder if they were involved in getting Nimloth and Elwing to safety. If they were involved in driving Dwarves away they evidently didn't do very well. Menegroth was, after all, completely destroyed. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-18-2002, 06:17 PM	#3
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	The Doriath story being non canonical means it isn't as clearly constructed. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-18-2002, 09:54 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Pardon? __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-18-2002, 09:57 PM	#5
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	What he meant to say is: "It's petty messed up." My money is on them being there and escaping. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

03-18-2002, 11:39 PM	#6
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Well if they were there they certainly escaped, or Oropher, Celeborn and Galadriel would never have made it beyond the First Age. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-19-2002, 08:19 AM	#7
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	If I remember rightly than Galadriel reveals in The Lord of the Ring that she wandered over Ered Luin before the Fall of Doriath. Regrads Findegil

03-19-2002, 08:32 PM	#8
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	The fall of doriath in the Silmarillion is essentially an editorial contruction. That makes its structure problamatic. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-19-2002, 10:30 PM	#9
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	You know, I often stilt my language for the fun of it, but sometimes it's better to just use plain english. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned