Beleriand

Nilore · 01-01-2003, 03:32 PM

Does any one know (in Middle Earth) apart from the elves, That there is an entire land west of the Blue mountains.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-01-2003, 05:59 PM

The Dwarves knew, and the enemy knew.

As a matteroffact Dwarves delved and lived under the High Faroth long before it became Nargothrond.

Falagar · 01-01-2003, 06:31 PM

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Nilore · 01-06-2003, 01:53 PM

Yeah. But dwarves are mortal so it will just be a legand to them. Galadriel would know though.

Beleg Strongbow · 01-08-2003, 02:34 PM

And Elrond.

Falagar · 01-08-2003, 02:35 PM

I thought Elrond was an Elf

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-08-2003, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falagar
I thought Elrond was an Elf

Yup, and Galadriel.

Radagast The Brown · 01-11-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

originally posted by Nilore
Does any one know (in Middle Earth) apart from the elves, That there is an entire land west of the Blue mountains.

amm... if you don't want elves and immortals, who you look for?

Inderjit Sanghera · 01-19-2003, 12:00 PM

There problably were quite a number of Numenorean scriptures telling us about it in the Minas Tirith libary. They weren't THAT ignorant of their history.

markedel · 01-19-2003, 09:48 PM

Actually they were. The Gondorians were in a state of decline and knowledge of history was pretty low. See the palantiri essay in UT for example.

Galin · 10-03-2008, 08:18 AM

I note also Treebeard's chant.

Interestingly (with respect to the Tol Fuin information delivered in Unfinished Tales), in the chant Dorthonion appears included in the lands under the wave.

Willow Oran · 10-03-2008, 05:49 PM

You mean there was a land west of the blue mountains... Considering that the drowning of Beleriand would have been a major event in the histories of any peoples who ever lived there, i.e. elves, dwarves, ents, the edain and all offshoots thereof... it is probably safe to say that the idea that there once was a land there would be common in all of those peoples's oral traditions. So yes, lots of people who knew about it, though probably only a few who knew very much and only the elves and ents who remembered living there.

01-01-2003, 03:32 PM	#1
Nilore Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: I am every where and I am no where, I am everyone and I am no-one! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Posts: 319	Beleriand Does any one know (in Middle Earth) apart from the elves, That there is an entire land west of the Blue mountains. __________________ UZG-BURGÛLU-OB GHASHANUM GHASHNUM-OB MOR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Raise the Phial of Galadriel and let the Star Glass of Lothlorian cast out the Darkness of Shelob's Lair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Naur an edraith ammen! Naur dan i ngaurholth! There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and bloom of blinding flame. The whole hill was crowned with a dazzling light! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bhûl latu dûmp Accept Your DOOM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DIE MERE MORTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh NO I AM A MERE MORTAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH Stop the NUKE Stop the NUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nilore writes last will and testament. Gets on knees And begs God for Mercy. Realizes He's already dead Flies up to heaven ( By the power of Red Bull) and lives happily ever after. THE END ( It's a MINI adventure) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-01-2003, 05:59 PM	#2
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	The Dwarves knew, and the enemy knew. As a matteroffact Dwarves delved and lived under the High Faroth long before it became Nargothrond. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-01-2003, 06:31 PM	#3
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	deleted __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 01-08-2003 at 02:36 PM.

01-06-2003, 01:53 PM	#4
Nilore Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: I am every where and I am no where, I am everyone and I am no-one! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Posts: 319	Yeah. But dwarves are mortal so it will just be a legand to them. Galadriel would know though. __________________ UZG-BURGÛLU-OB GHASHANUM GHASHNUM-OB MOR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Raise the Phial of Galadriel and let the Star Glass of Lothlorian cast out the Darkness of Shelob's Lair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Naur an edraith ammen! Naur dan i ngaurholth! There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and bloom of blinding flame. The whole hill was crowned with a dazzling light! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bhûl latu dûmp Accept Your DOOM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DIE MERE MORTALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh NO I AM A MERE MORTAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH Stop the NUKE Stop the NUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nilore writes last will and testament. Gets on knees And begs God for Mercy. Realizes He's already dead Flies up to heaven ( By the power of Red Bull) and lives happily ever after. THE END ( It's a MINI adventure) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

01-08-2003, 02:34 PM	#5
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	And Elrond. __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

01-08-2003, 02:35 PM	#6
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	I thought Elrond was an Elf __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-19-2003, 12:00 PM	#9
Inderjit Sanghera Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England. Posts: 260	There problably were quite a number of Numenorean scriptures telling us about it in the Minas Tirith libary. They weren't THAT ignorant of their history.

01-19-2003, 09:48 PM	#10
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Actually they were. The Gondorians were in a state of decline and knowledge of history was pretty low. See the palantiri essay in UT for example. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

10-03-2008, 08:18 AM	#11
Galin Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 222	I note also Treebeard's chant. Interestingly (with respect to the Tol Fuin information delivered in Unfinished Tales), in the chant Dorthonion appears included in the lands under the wave.

10-03-2008, 05:49 PM	#12
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	You mean there was a land west of the blue mountains... Considering that the drowning of Beleriand would have been a major event in the histories of any peoples who ever lived there, i.e. elves, dwarves, ents, the edain and all offshoots thereof... it is probably safe to say that the idea that there once was a land there would be common in all of those peoples's oral traditions. So yes, lots of people who knew about it, though probably only a few who knew very much and only the elves and ents who remembered living there. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

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