the more evil race

Matto Baggins · 12-17-2001, 11:04 PM

who do you think is more evil? The Goblins?The Orcs?The Uruk-Hai?Please tell me. I think the uruk-hai.
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***HOBBIT*** · 12-18-2001, 12:43 AM

Well, those are all orcs, aren't they? 'Goblins'(I think) was the term used the hobbit that really is the same as 'orcs' They are interchangable i think...unless inoldonil can prove me wrong with a long post

Uruk-hui are a type of orc..but bred by saruman..not in the hobbit so what does this have to do with anything? All orcs are pretty darn fierce.

Lightice · 12-18-2001, 08:36 AM

How did Sauron have Uruk Hai in his troops if the were bred by Saruman?
I've believed, that either Saruman got that idea from Mordor and taught it his own or Uruk Hai and Saruman's half-orcs weren't same creatures at all. Which one you rest perfer?

***HOBBIT*** · 12-18-2001, 09:07 AM

I guess Sauron's orcs and Saruman's orcs were just hanging out with eachother to capture the haflings (Frodo in particuliar)...hey ! but lets not discuss Uruk_hai or Saurman, or Sauron, or anyone from lotr..this is the hobbit forum

Ñólendil · 12-19-2001, 02:02 AM

For the sake of clarity, Tristan -- I hope you don't mind -- I'll have to touch on some LOTR issues.

I can't disagree with you Hobbit, goblins and Orcs are the same thing.

That Uruk-hai were bred by Saruman is only true of Peter Jackson's adaptation. The Uruk-hai were made by Sauron early on in the Third Age. It is my belief that Azog -- who was responsible for the War of the Dwarves and Orcs -- and Bolg his son (King of the Northern Goblins in Gundabad, slain by Beorn in the Battle of Five Armies) were Uruks. It's the Half-orcs or Goblin-men of Isengard that were devised by Saruman, though in Vol. X of the History of Middle-earth it is revealed that the cunning wizard was rediscovering an old art practiced by the diabolical Melkor in ancient times.

As for the original question, I get the impression the great soldier-orcs were generally more evil than the lesser ones.

Lightice · 12-19-2001, 01:48 PM

Aye. That I had in my mind too, but still at least Treebeard taught some orcs as Sarumans creations. So were they just Uruk Hai, that Treebeard had never seen before, or did Saruman actually mix humans and orcs?

Ñólendil · 12-19-2001, 06:11 PM

The special Orcs of Saruman's devising were Half-orcs.

Renille · 12-25-2001, 05:13 PM

So what are uruk-hai exactly? Are they a seperate race...made by Sauron in mockery of the dwarves or something?

Lightice · 12-26-2001, 06:33 AM

No. They were just orcs bred for big combat. A bit like breeding dogs. Only best are allowed to breed.

webwizard333 · 12-26-2001, 12:46 PM

Um, this is the Hobbit forum, I would like this thread moved to the Middle Earth forum (though I do like the actuivity in this forum

). Being unable to do this with would an Admin. please do this?

12-17-2001, 11:04 PM	#1
Matto Baggins Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 23	the more evil race who do you think is more evil? The Goblins?The Orcs?The Uruk-Hai?Please tell me. I think the uruk-hai. HOBBITS LIVE FREE! __________________ The Road May Be Long And Hard, But I Will Follow The Course To It's End. HOBBITS LIVE FREE!

12-18-2001, 12:43 AM	#2
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	Well, those are all orcs, aren't they? 'Goblins'(I think) was the term used the hobbit that really is the same as 'orcs' They are interchangable i think...unless inoldonil can prove me wrong with a long post Uruk-hui are a type of orc..but bred by saruman..not in the hobbit so what does this have to do with anything? All orcs are pretty darn fierce. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

12-18-2001, 09:07 AM	#4
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	I guess Sauron's orcs and Saruman's orcs were just hanging out with eachother to capture the haflings (Frodo in particuliar)...hey ! but lets not discuss Uruk_hai or Saurman, or Sauron, or anyone from lotr..this is the hobbit forum __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

12-19-2001, 02:02 AM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	For the sake of clarity, Tristan -- I hope you don't mind -- I'll have to touch on some LOTR issues. I can't disagree with you Hobbit, goblins and Orcs are the same thing. That Uruk-hai were bred by Saruman is only true of Peter Jackson's adaptation. The Uruk-hai were made by Sauron early on in the Third Age. It is my belief that Azog -- who was responsible for the War of the Dwarves and Orcs -- and Bolg his son (King of the Northern Goblins in Gundabad, slain by Beorn in the Battle of Five Armies) were Uruks. It's the Half-orcs or Goblin-men of Isengard that were devised by Saruman, though in Vol. X of the History of Middle-earth it is revealed that the cunning wizard was rediscovering an old art practiced by the diabolical Melkor in ancient times. As for the original question, I get the impression the great soldier-orcs were generally more evil than the lesser ones. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-19-2001, 06:11 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The special Orcs of Saruman's devising were Half-orcs. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

12-18-2001, 08:36 AM	#3
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	How did Sauron have Uruk Hai in his troops if the were bred by Saruman? I've believed, that either Saruman got that idea from Mordor and taught it his own or Uruk Hai and Saruman's half-orcs weren't same creatures at all. Which one you rest perfer?

12-19-2001, 01:48 PM	#6
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	Aye. That I had in my mind too, but still at least Treebeard taught some orcs as Sarumans creations. So were they just Uruk Hai, that Treebeard had never seen before, or did Saruman actually mix humans and orcs?

12-25-2001, 05:13 PM	#8
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	So what are uruk-hai exactly? Are they a seperate race...made by Sauron in mockery of the dwarves or something? __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

12-26-2001, 06:33 AM	#9
Lightice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 192	No. They were just orcs bred for big combat. A bit like breeding dogs. Only best are allowed to breed.

12-26-2001, 12:46 PM	#10
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	Um, this is the Hobbit forum, I would like this thread moved to the Middle Earth forum (though I do like the actuivity in this forum ). Being unable to do this with would an Admin. please do this? __________________ Boo!

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