ELF questions answered

afro-elf · 12-20-2001, 04:42 AM

there have been a few threads ( some started by me) concerning the "power" of elves

i think everyone agrees that elves are more beautiful,immortal amd immune to sickness and disease, nd more resistant to weather extremes

on pg 121 to PARAPHRASE

the moriquendi and men were equal in stature and strength

but the morquendi were greater in wisdom, skill and beauty

AND the calaquendi were greater than the morquendi in these departments than the morquendi were to men

only the sindar of doriath tutored by melian come close to the calaquendi

on 137

noldor ( i finally got it right inoldonil) were greater of mind and body and were greater warriors and sages
than the morquendi

but i'm on ch 15 so we will see what happens as i read more

afro-elf · 12-20-2001, 04:47 AM

PS

i'm glad to hear that the VALAR did not TOTALLY forsake the dwellers in ME

afro-elf · 12-21-2001, 05:21 AM

and YES elves had magic

if the words wizardary, arts, enchantment AND the description of the things that happened is not magic ...

Brimvalir · 03-25-2002, 05:45 PM

The Elves were closer to the Gods than Humans or Dwarves

Wulažg · 04-09-2002, 04:13 PM

Just how big werethese Noldori anyway? I mean, they had to be taller than the Nœmenoreans, right? The later Nœmenoreans were at least six feet (6'4!!) and the earlier ones were "greater in stature and wisdom" so these elves must have been HUGE. I mean, Fingolfin must have been pretty big to stand ANY chance in single combat with Morgoth, F‘anor needed three Balrogs to take him down, and you've seen the movie, that's how big the things were about. They should have been calling the Edain "halflings"!

afro-elf · 04-10-2002, 12:21 AM

well galadriel is 6'4" (193cm)

Ñólendil · 04-10-2002, 01:08 AM

Personally I think the Balrog of the movie was grossly large considering the source material (he is a "dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater" in The Bridge of Khazad-dum). In The Road Goes Ever On Tolkien says that when the Valar incarnated themselves their forms were "majestic but not gigantic". It's thus quite possible that Morgoth when he fought Fingolfin was merely (if you want to use the word "merely") Troll-sized.

I think it's in Númenórëan Linnear Measurements, an Appendix to The Disaster of the Gladden Fields (where afro-elf, I assume, got his info. about Galadriel), that Tolkien says the average height of the Dunedain before the Fall of Andor, and the High-elves, was seven feet. Males, anyway.

12-20-2001, 04:42 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	ELF questions answered there have been a few threads ( some started by me) concerning the "power" of elves i think everyone agrees that elves are more beautiful,immortal amd immune to sickness and disease, nd more resistant to weather extremes on pg 121 to PARAPHRASE the moriquendi and men were equal in stature and strength but the morquendi were greater in wisdom, skill and beauty AND the calaquendi were greater than the morquendi in these departments than the morquendi were to men only the sindar of doriath tutored by melian come close to the calaquendi on 137 noldor ( i finally got it right inoldonil) were greater of mind and body and were greater warriors and sages than the morquendi but i'm on ch 15 so we will see what happens as i read more __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-20-2001, 04:47 AM	#2
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	PS i'm glad to hear that the VALAR did not TOTALLY forsake the dwellers in ME __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

12-21-2001, 05:21 AM	#3
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	and YES elves had magic if the words wizardary, arts, enchantment AND the description of the things that happened is not magic ... __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

03-25-2002, 05:45 PM	#4
Brimvalir Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 103	Elves The Elves were closer to the Gods than Humans or Dwarves __________________ Swords are of no more use here ... All that is gold does not glitter nor are all those who wander lost......

04-10-2002, 12:21 AM	#6
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	well galadriel is 6'4" (193cm) __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-09-2002, 04:13 PM	#5
Wulažg Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 306	Just how big werethese Noldori anyway? I mean, they had to be taller than the Nœmenoreans, right? The later Nœmenoreans were at least six feet (6'4!!) and the earlier ones were "greater in stature and wisdom" so these elves must have been HUGE. I mean, Fingolfin must have been pretty big to stand ANY chance in single combat with Morgoth, F‘anor needed three Balrogs to take him down, and you've seen the movie, that's how big the things were about. They should have been calling the Edain "halflings"!

04-10-2002, 01:08 AM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Personally I think the Balrog of the movie was grossly large considering the source material (he is a "dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater" in The Bridge of Khazad-dum). In The Road Goes Ever On Tolkien says that when the Valar incarnated themselves their forms were "majestic but not gigantic". It's thus quite possible that Morgoth when he fought Fingolfin was merely (if you want to use the word "merely") Troll-sized. I think it's in Númenórëan Linnear Measurements, an Appendix to The Disaster of the Gladden Fields (where afro-elf, I assume, got his info. about Galadriel), that Tolkien says the average height of the Dunedain before the Fall of Andor, and the High-elves, was seven feet. Males, anyway. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

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