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The Lady of Ithilien · 10-20-2002, 11:33 AM

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But I guess it's just that the writing style is hard for me to enjoy -- it feels like I'm reading a history book (which I am, really) rather than a story as in TLotR or The Hobbit, Farmer Giles, etc., all of which I whip through every time.

That, and the Elves don't act very much like they do in LotR or Hobbit...they're either much more ethereal (like the Vanyar) or feisty (like the Noldor). It's just so darned big, too.

You know what helps? I found this out accidentally by trying the summarize how Cirdan got to the Havens of Mithlond for an Entmoot post in another thread: take a character, preferably one of the minor ones or one who continues on into the LotR or Hobbit, and write his or her story out. You'll be surprised at how the tale comes alive after that.

***azalea*** · 10-20-2002, 07:02 PM

That's a good idea because, quite frankly, it's very hard for me to keep up with all of the characters. I think I'll do that when I read it again, so that I can have a better understanding of the thing as a whole.

katya · 10-21-2002, 06:52 PM

I also want to agree on not skipping the valaquenta and the other one. the valaquenta especially helped me to know who exactly these people were instead of just reading a name and being like "oh look, yet another name i dont know about".
I am reading the silmarillion for the first time also and i am on about chapter 6 or 7. its really hard so i take my timeadn read most chapters twice. i think i have a pretty good understanding so far. once you grasp stuff its a nice book. nobody ought to give up on it unless maybe they are saving it for later... ok maybe thats not so good either unless you are way too young.

entss89 · 10-21-2002, 08:43 PM

he he im almost finished! i did not understand a word of anything but im almost FINISHED! so lets see here if i can finish it in a week . maybe. lets do a countdown of how many days i have left starting today.

7 more days till i have to finish my book...................................

p.s. this is corny but hey its something to do!ha ha

The Lady of Ithilien · 10-21-2002, 09:18 PM

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am on about chapter 6 or 7. its really hard so i take my timeadn read most chapters twice

Chapter 5 just about blew me away the first few times I read it: all those names, not just of Eldar but place names and Valar and their assistants.

You feel it's all going to be equally important and you try to pay attention to it all, and pretty soon you find yourself not in Arda at all, but sitting there making up a grocery list or something. It's a chapter to go back to later on rather than struggle through now.

Chapter 6 is pretty good -- if you're in it now, then in view of what is coming up, concentrate on Feanor (I like his name: he had a fana like the sun

), on Finwe, and on the distance between Feanor and his two half-brothers, Fingolfin and Finarfin, which will become very important in the next chapter.

If only King Finwe had put the wellbeing of his people ahead of that of his own family . . . .

Chapter 7 is where it starts turning into a story, once Melkor is back on the scene, walking around pretending to be a good guy and secretly getting the Noldor all fired up. Add in a fiery Feanor and three jewels with the very light of heaven locked inside them (the only light that will soon be left, as you'll see in Chapter 8), and you've got a mix even Manwe can't handle.

katya · 10-22-2002, 07:31 AM

Yeah I pretty much have Finwe and his sons and their sons (to an extent) clear. Now that i am more motivated I think I can finish soon. It seems somehow easier as I go along.

entss89 · 10-22-2002, 06:05 PM

yes i am learning how this book operats! im almost finished i think there will be no more problems anymore its getting very easy now!

P.s. yes its almost finished and only 6 more days!

entss89 · 10-24-2002, 08:23 PM

i have finished yes i rule the world i have the most power in the world! all shale love me and despare! i have the one ring of the sil. and no one can take thy power away! i now understand what the whole book was about like the beggining of the world practically! now you may bow down! thanxs for your surport and now someone may close this thread, thanks you all!

Lanelf · 10-24-2002, 11:24 PM

*Stands and applauds Entss89* I knew you could do it! YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY Entss!
Lanelf.

Artanis · 10-25-2002, 05:30 AM

Congrats entss89! Biiiig applaude!

BeardofPants · 10-25-2002, 05:33 AM

Congrats entss89. Now you can start on HoME.

***Rían*** · 10-25-2002, 07:58 AM

Congrats entss89!! *cheers loudly & throws ent-shaped confetti*

And I think that you should be promoted to entss90 in honor of the occasion!!

Blackboar · 12-21-2002, 12:42 PM

I could do with a bit of support myself!!!

I've never read the Silmarillion because I thought it woulnt have much to do with LotR!
How wrong was I!!!!
Yesterday I bought a version and I am going to try reading it for the 1st time!!!
I have been looking through this forum and it does look quite complicated and hard (I guess) to read so I could do with some support!!!!

markedel · 12-21-2002, 04:35 PM

Think of it this way-once you read the sil. everything in the book has depth, and thus more signifigance. It enhances the experience.

***Rían*** · 12-21-2002, 05:39 PM

Go Blackboar Go! Rah rah rah!!

Stick with it, it's great!

And I just found The Lays of Beleriand for $7 at a discount bookstore - now I have 3 of the HoME series! I've only read a few pages, but what beautiful writing it is!

Blackboar · 12-22-2002, 07:40 AM

ThankS!!!!!!

Blackboar · 12-23-2002, 07:57 AM

As I havn't actually started yet, I'm just wondering is The Silmarillion basically like a bible for Middle Earth!

Falagar · 12-23-2002, 11:22 AM

Something like that, yes

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-23-2002, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by Blackboar
As I havn't actually started yet, I'm just wondering is The Silmarillion basically like a bible for Middle Earth!

The Silmarillion is like a history book. It relays the accounts of the Elder Days, the First and Second Ages. The creation of the world, the awakening of Elves and Men, the making of the Silmarils, the Exile of the Noldor, the rising of the sun and moon and the events of Elves and Men in Middle-earth and their struggle against Morgoth who is the Dark Lord. The voyage of Earedil, and the Fall of Numenor, just to give you an idea.

Blackboar · 12-23-2002, 01:36 PM

Thank you

That helps me understand what it is about alot better

10-24-2002, 11:24 PM	#49
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Stands and applauds Entss89 I knew you could do it! YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY Entss! Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

10-25-2002, 05:30 AM	#50
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Congrats entss89! Biiiig applaude! __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

10-25-2002, 05:33 AM	#51
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Congrats entss89. Now you can start on HoME. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

10-25-2002, 07:58 AM	#52
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Congrats entss89!! cheers loudly & throws ent-shaped confetti And I think that you should be promoted to entss90 in honor of the occasion!! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

12-21-2002, 04:35 PM	#54
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Think of it this way-once you read the sil. everything in the book has depth, and thus more signifigance. It enhances the experience. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

10-20-2002, 07:02 PM	#42
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	That's a good idea because, quite frankly, it's very hard for me to keep up with all of the characters. I think I'll do that when I read it again, so that I can have a better understanding of the thing as a whole.

10-21-2002, 06:52 PM	#43
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	I also want to agree on not skipping the valaquenta and the other one. the valaquenta especially helped me to know who exactly these people were instead of just reading a name and being like "oh look, yet another name i dont know about". I am reading the silmarillion for the first time also and i am on about chapter 6 or 7. its really hard so i take my timeadn read most chapters twice. i think i have a pretty good understanding so far. once you grasp stuff its a nice book. nobody ought to give up on it unless maybe they are saving it for later... ok maybe thats not so good either unless you are way too young.

10-21-2002, 08:43 PM	#44
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	he he im almost finished! i did not understand a word of anything but im almost FINISHED! so lets see here if i can finish it in a week . maybe. lets do a countdown of how many days i have left starting today. 7 more days till i have to finish my book................................... p.s. this is corny but hey its something to do!ha ha

10-22-2002, 07:31 AM	#46
katya Elven Maiden Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,309	Yeah I pretty much have Finwe and his sons and their sons (to an extent) clear. Now that i am more motivated I think I can finish soon. It seems somehow easier as I go along.

10-22-2002, 06:05 PM	#47
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	yes i am learning how this book operats! im almost finished i think there will be no more problems anymore its getting very easy now! P.s. yes its almost finished and only 6 more days!

10-24-2002, 08:23 PM	#48
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	i have finished yes i rule the world i have the most power in the world! all shale love me and despare! i have the one ring of the sil. and no one can take thy power away! i now understand what the whole book was about like the beggining of the world practically! now you may bow down! thanxs for your surport and now someone may close this thread, thanks you all!

12-21-2002, 12:42 PM	#53
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	I could do with a bit of support myself!!! I've never read the Silmarillion because I thought it woulnt have much to do with LotR! How wrong was I!!!! Yesterday I bought a version and I am going to try reading it for the 1st time!!! I have been looking through this forum and it does look quite complicated and hard (I guess) to read so I could do with some support!!!!

12-21-2002, 05:39 PM	#55
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Go Blackboar Go! Rah rah rah!! Stick with it, it's great! And I just found The Lays of Beleriand for $7 at a discount bookstore - now I have 3 of the HoME series! I've only read a few pages, but what beautiful writing it is! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!

12-22-2002, 07:40 AM	#56
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	ThankS!!!!!!

12-23-2002, 07:57 AM	#57
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Is it like a bible As I havn't actually started yet, I'm just wondering is The Silmarillion basically like a bible for Middle Earth!

12-23-2002, 11:22 AM	#58
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Something like that, yes __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

12-23-2002, 01:36 PM	#60
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Thank you That helps me understand what it is about alot better

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