01-21-2003, 12:30 PM | #21 |
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Is this character from Alabama or Kentucky, do you think? ]: )
Lalaith, you don't have any siblings of your own do you? Please say no. Their relationship was the result of Glaurungs (and ultimately Morgoths) depraved nature. He certainly found it entertaining. I don't. There was no real romance involved.
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But I think in some way their minds were independent and they loved each other really from the heart. And I think that they killed each other, when they knew that they were brother and sister, because in normal social circumstances it is impossible that brother and sister feel more for each other. The thought of sleeping with the brother must be very strange and it was again impossible to do that with your brother and have even children with him/her. I guess, they wanted to be together, because they loved each other, but they knew as brother and sister this could not work and for that reason they killed themselves.
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And this discussion goes deeper than I thought. Is there nobody out there who likes the story of the two of them? (Actually I talked to a few people who found it sweet, but not here).
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01-21-2003, 01:38 PM | #24 |
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Let us make a compromise of sorts. Let's say that while they were under the spell of the dragon, they were truly in love, but once the spell was broken, they were truly devistated and revolted by what they had done and with who. Does that sound reasonable?
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I think i like the story lalaith. and i know what u mean.
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01-21-2003, 01:42 PM | #26 |
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yes very sister golden hair.
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Okay, that sounds good for me and ... I think each has to decide for her/himself if he finds the love story romantic or cute or disgusting or whatever. So, I have to ask you, Sister Golden Hair, which ARDA story do you think is really romantic (say Faramir and Eowyn and we'll have a real comprimise).
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01-21-2003, 03:42 PM | #30 |
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Definitely.
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And I'm more concerned about Faramir and Eowyn, because I wrote a peom about the two of them (just for fun, during school lessons). But still, Beren and Luthien rock!
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01-21-2003, 04:47 PM | #32 |
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Another romantic but sad love story is the love between Andreth and Aegnor, especially since it was the only love involving a male Elf and a Human female.
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And .... Sister Golden Hair .... it sounds like you know Tolkiens world quite good. That's cool. I wanna reach that too, by reading his books again and again Quite cool now we found a common baseline.
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The story of Aegnor and Andreth is in volume 10, Morgoth's Ring, Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth, The Histories of Middle-earth Series. Andreth was a wise woman that fell in love with Aegnor, Finrod and Galadriel's youngest brother. Aegnor loved Andreth also, but turned away because of a few things really. He would not forsake the war and his kin for her, and he knew that any marriage with a mortal would only be for some high purpose of doom and would be bitter to the end. Also, he could not bear to see her get old and die. The strange thing is that he died before her, but he refused to return to life because he could not bear to live in the world without her once she died. Also in his life, he would never take a bride of his own kin, because he loved her so much. It is a great story. There is a thread in the Middle-earth forum "Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth" with a large quote done by Nolendil out of this story, that you may want to go read. It will give you some idea of what is going on in this sad relationship. This story is actually a lengthy debate that takes place between Finrod Felagund and Andreth. If you notice my sig. it is from that story.
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I assume I was right about this story, judging by the posts from everyone then
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Lalaith, I have found that part of the story that Nolendil posted. I am adding a little more to it because it is at the end of the story. I also have to do it in two post to get it all in.
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Thank you, sister golden hair.
I'll read it as soon as I have enough time to read it carefully (as english is not my first language it will take me some time). I plan to read the 12 late published books - the History of Middle-earth series and actually I've already read The Book of Lost tales I and II. But unfortunately I think that they are not available in german so I have to read them in english. That will be tough.
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Turin and Finduilas and Aegnor and Andreth were beautiful, yet tragic love stories as well.
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