Haldir's mistake - Page 2

HobbitChick88 · 10-21-2002, 04:25 PM

Maybe he meant b/c of all the trees or something??

Dunadan · 10-21-2002, 04:39 PM

Clearly a mistranslation, as Legolas would be unfamiliar with the local dialect. What he actually said was "the dwarf f@rts so loud we could shoot him in the ar$e"

Gerbil · 10-21-2002, 06:18 PM

Surely the whole point of the comment is that Elves cannot normally see particularly well in the dark?

IE Gimli is so loud that, were they blind, noise alone is enough to allow them to accurately find him and stick an arrow in his beard?

My own opinion is that Elves cannot inherently see in the dark, but they have the ability to see more clearly what is there. IE they can make out small details in the distance, and can also make out shapes etc more clearly in circumstances of limited visibility (eg dusk / mist etc), but they cannot see things in the absence of light.

Lollypopgurl · 11-09-2002, 10:09 PM

I agree. You DO have too much time. PJ is just quoting from the book.

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-09-2002, 10:45 PM

O

M

G

!

Can NO one see the forest for the trees???

They could have shot him in the dark because they could have taken aim and shot true based on how LOUD he was!!!

Through soooooooouund!!!! Not sight!

geeeeez!

"Night / Dark / cats eyes / seeing in caves / quote after quote after ****ing quote"

I like being cerebral and anal and thinking things through until "the original topic is so far gone into obliteration it is nothing more than a mere whisper of a thought of a fleeting moment" as much as the next person, ... but COME ON!

Somethings are so simple as to not even warrent the effort it takes to debate the topic.

I love you guys! Your enthusiam is wonderful and well matched.

But something also has to be said for COMMON SENSE!

zavron · 01-04-2003, 03:00 PM

In the book at Helms Deep, legolas say to Gimli that he wished 'he could have better light for shooting'. If elves could see in the dark then why did he say that?

legolasluvr2931 · 01-05-2003, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
Did he say that the Dwarf breathes so hard we could shoot him in the dark?

If those are his words, that doesn't mean to much because Elves see at night as well as humans do in the day.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but did you ever consider that he may have been making a sarcastic remark to Gimli's statement? He said "Well, this is one dwarf that she (Galadrial) won't ensnare so easily! I have the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox!
Haldir was replying to that.

Reumandar · 01-10-2003, 10:25 AM

I don't think Gimli says that in the book
I think it is one of those "lets make the dwarf look really stupid by saying some thing silly" things
I think it could be What Bop said a common Lorien saying.
In the book it says Legolas drops down (he was about to jump up into the tree) in fear and Surprise and he tells the others not to move or speak and then they hear soft laughing above them and then Haldir says the line, so yeah.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-10-2003, 11:06 AM

When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was: being born.

Reumandar · 01-11-2003, 09:30 AM

Why do you say that?
Because the movie?
Well I think he is cooler in FotR extended addition
and TTT. But Why MUst he

DIE

!!!!!!!!!!
HE WAS SOO COOL !!!!
In my opinion anyway.

Why was he even at HELMS DEEP!!!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-11-2003, 12:52 PM

Of course, when I say this, I refer to the movie Haldir. I have nothing against Haldir in the book; but the movie Haldir was decidedly un-Elvish.

Reumandar · 01-20-2003, 09:41 AM

I am affraid you are partly right, Especialy the part in the extended edition when he says:
Celeborn and Galadriel
In my oppinion he sounds like the three (or however many they were) vultures in Jungle book

But I still think he is Cool !

Elf Girl · 01-20-2003, 09:48 AM

In the book, Haldir says it to Sam.

Ithilwin · 04-10-2003, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by afro-elf
Did he say that the Dwarf breathes so hard we could shoot him in the dark?

If those are his words, that doesn't mean to much because Elves see at night as well as humans do in the day.

He meant that they could shoot them in the dark,not necessarily by seeing them,just by hearing them.They could aim and shoot based on the sounds!

10-21-2002, 04:25 PM	#21
HobbitChick88 Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 237	Maybe he meant b/c of all the trees or something?? __________________ "Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars..." ~The Hobbit "And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whose you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." -Joshua 24:15 Step follows step, Hope follows courage. Set your face toward danger Set your heart on victory! "Where is Elizabeth?" "She's safe, just like I promised. She's all set to marry Norrington just like she promised, and you get to die for her just like you promised. So we're all men of our word, really....except for Elizabeth who is, in fact, a woman." ~Will Turner and Jack Sparrow, POTC fROdO LIVeS!!!!

10-21-2002, 06:18 PM	#23
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	Surely the whole point of the comment is that Elves cannot normally see particularly well in the dark? IE Gimli is so loud that, were they blind, noise alone is enough to allow them to accurately find him and stick an arrow in his beard? My own opinion is that Elves cannot inherently see in the dark, but they have the ability to see more clearly what is there. IE they can make out small details in the distance, and can also make out shapes etc more clearly in circumstances of limited visibility (eg dusk / mist etc), but they cannot see things in the absence of light. __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

11-09-2002, 10:09 PM	#24
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	I agree. You DO have too much time. PJ is just quoting from the book. __________________ a violinist...

11-09-2002, 10:45 PM	#25
Eowyn of Rohan Enting Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 73	O M G ! Can NO one see the forest for the trees??? They could have shot him in the dark because they could have taken aim and shot true based on how LOUD he was!!! Through soooooooouund!!!! Not sight! geeeeez! "Night / Dark / cats eyes / seeing in caves / quote after quote after ***ing quote" I like being cerebral and anal and thinking things through until "the original topic is so far gone into obliteration it is nothing more than a mere whisper of a thought of a fleeting moment" as much as the next person, ... but COME ON! Somethings are so simple as to not even warrent the effort it takes to debate the topic. I love you guys! Your enthusiam is wonderful and well matched. But something also has to be said for COMMON SENSE! Last edited by Eowyn of Rohan : 11-09-2002 at 10:48 PM.*

01-04-2003, 03:00 PM	#26
zavron Chieftain of The Order of The Blue Flame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: I am a Figment of your Imagination!!! OOOHHHH!!! Posts: 1,729	In the book at Helms Deep, legolas say to Gimli that he wished 'he could have better light for shooting'. If elves could see in the dark then why did he say that? __________________ Visit http://nilore.suddenlaunch2.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ''ASH NAZG DUBARTULUK, ASH NAZG GIMBATUL, ASH NAZG THRAKATULUK AGH BURZUM--ISHI KRIMPATUL...ash nazg, ash nazg......'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gil- galad was an elven king. Of him the harpers sadly sing: the last whose realm was fair and free between the mountains and the sea. His sword was long, his lance was keen, his shinig helm afar was seen; the countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield. But long ago he rode away, and where he dwelleth none can say; for into darkness fell his star in mordor where the shadows are. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

10-21-2002, 04:39 PM	#22
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Clearly a mistranslation, as Legolas would be unfamiliar with the local dialect. What he actually said was "the dwarf f@rts so loud we could shoot him in the ar$e"

01-10-2003, 10:25 AM	#28
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	I don't think Gimli says that in the book I think it is one of those "lets make the dwarf look really stupid by saying some thing silly" things I think it could be What Bop said a common Lorien saying. In the book it says Legolas drops down (he was about to jump up into the tree) in fear and Surprise and he tells the others not to move or speak and then they hear soft laughing above them and then Haldir says the line, so yeah. __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

01-10-2003, 11:06 AM	#29
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was: being born. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-11-2003, 12:52 PM	#31
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Of course, when I say this, I refer to the movie Haldir. I have nothing against Haldir in the book; but the movie Haldir was decidedly un-Elvish. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-20-2003, 09:41 AM	#32
Reumandar Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Land of Fire and Ice ('Tis a country You will never guess it) Posts: 103	I am affraid you are partly right, Especialy the part in the extended edition when he says: Celeborn and Galadriel In my oppinion he sounds like the three (or however many they were) vultures in Jungle book But I still think he is Cool ! __________________ If envy were an illness the whole world would be sick (old Danish proverb) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones beside the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh Potter you Rotter, Oh what have you done Your killing off the students, you think it's good fun

01-20-2003, 09:48 AM	#33
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	In the book, Haldir says it to Sam. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

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