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If I understand correctly, (and I think I do
 ) the Roman Catholic and Christian understanding is that procreation by humans (and by extension to the Elves/Dwarves/Hobbits) is CO-CREATION with God. It is a human participatory action in time and eternity with the Creator. So (and not only because I am an OB/GYN !), I would consider it the major form of human creativity. 
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12-08-2004, 03:35 PM
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Major (and only) form of human creativity, yes, but not on the scale of the creation of a whole sentient race.
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12-14-2004, 11:25 AM
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If I recall correctly, it's said that Morgoth bred the dragons from worms. Though I can't remember where... possibly in LT or UT...
Now of course it doesn't means earthworms, Wyrm in old english is also applied to snakes. I'd say that snakes are probably the best guess. Oh.. and as for wounding Glaurung, Azaghâl probably did the most damage up until Turin struck a deathblow. He did it the same way, underneath, though he didn't have the benefit of a handy chasm to avoid being crushed...
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12-14-2004, 12:31 PM
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Wow! What a weird thread!
 Glaurung wasn't fully developed when Fingon sent him packing. Not just in terms of his natural armour i.e. scales, but also in terms of his relative size. The archers were therefore able to penetrate Glaurung quite easily, which also meant that they wouldn't have had to get too close to him either. As Blackheart has mentioned (and i'm surprised that nobody else has commented on it), Azarghal and the Dwarves were very effective against the dragon during the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. In fact if it wasn't for them, most of the remaining Noldor, especially the eastern force, would have been completely destroyed. So you can say that Azarghal did the most damage to Glaurung; for the Dwarves must have scuppered one of Morgoth's main plans/strategies.
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12-15-2004, 01:22 PM
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Are you sure those were masks?
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12-15-2004, 03:20 PM
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I think you missed the point of asking the dwarf if the hideous ugly masks were indeed masks......
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12-15-2004, 03:41 PM
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haha!
eh, yeah. Did miss that before... 
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12-16-2004, 05:33 AM
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Beauty is only skin deep!
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12-16-2004, 06:20 AM
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But.. ugly goes all the way to the bone....
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12-16-2004, 06:52 AM
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You're a fine one to talk! How's your face after Fingolfin slashed it a few times?
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12-16-2004, 09:28 PM
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Still limping from that one, are we?
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12-17-2004, 12:54 PM
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Hmmph.
Some guys look better with a little scar on their face...  Oh.. and I walk that way cause I'm Stiff....
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12-18-2004, 02:29 AM
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Guess that's what happens when your slong goes to yer knees, huh?
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12-18-2004, 02:38 AM
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I'm trying to study, Boppy! Study!
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12-18-2004, 02:43 AM
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Oh by all means, don't let cthulhu's slong distract you!
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12-18-2004, 04:20 PM
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Which one... most of them go to my knees....
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12-25-2004, 10:44 AM
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Glaurung would have been better if he had wings. Then he would have rocked! I must admit, he has particular talent for messing up people's lives.
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