weapons in aman

[afro-elf]

feanor was exiled for drawing his blade

why was there a need for weapons in aman?


i assume elves forged them before the great journey to defend themselves against morogoths creatures

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
feanor was exiled for drawing his blade

why was there a need for weapons in aman?


i assume elves forged them before the great journey to defend themselves against morogoths creatures

I believe that after the Elves came to Aman, they were taught this craft by Aule, or at least the Noldor were. I wonder if they may have hunted in Aman. Also, while Morgoth was restricted to Aman, he caused strife between the Elves, so they were always scrapping.

[Kirinki54]

Originally posted by afro-elf
feanor was exiled for drawing his blade

why was there a need for weapons in aman?


i assume elves forged them before the great journey to defend themselves against morogoths creatures

A bit petty, but Feanor was not really banned just for DRAWING his blade, or?

As for Aman, I think there might have been dangers that needed defending against. For example Ungolianth came from Avathar.

I would guess that Elves had started to learn making swords and use them quite soon after awakening. There where dangers enough also in ME.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Kirinki54 is correct. Feanor's bannishment was for speaking against the Valar. Drawing his sword on Fingolfin was pretty much just the last straw.

[afro-elf]

As for Aman, I think there might have been dangers that needed defending against. For example Ungolianth came from Avathar.

what is avathar

sounds like a avatar with a wisp

[Elvellon]

As it says in the Silmarillion, Avathar means “the Shadows” and is “the forsaken land on the coast of Aman south of the Bay of Eldamar, between the Pelóri (the mountains that protect Aman in it’s East coast ) and the sea, where Melkor met Ungoliant.”
The light of the Two Trees didn´t reach Avathar because the mountains of Pelóri and Ungoliant lived there, in the shadows.

[Ñólendil]

The Elves had some simple weapons that they used on the Great Journey for hunting, and things like that: wooden bows and spears, but weapons of war was something they picked up in Valinor, I believe from Melkor (not Aulë). They had no real need for these things, or they shouldn't have had any need, but Melkor planted his evil seeds in their minds and hearts. The Ñoldor ceased to trust eachother.

[afro-elf]

weren't orcs bred before the great journey?

wouldn't they need weapons to fight?

when then Noldar returned did the elves (the morquendi) have weapons?

[Lelondul]

Interesting to ponder the irony within Melkor's seeds of evil. Sure, the elves commited evil against their own kind, but how many more servants of the enemy were slain at the edge of the very blades that would not have crafted had it not been for Melkor's influence...

[afro-elf]

were the valar blind to melkor's "meddlings"

[Ñólendil]

Good point Lelondul. From the very marring of Melkor great good was born.

The Edhil of Beleriand learned about weapon-craft from the Dwarves, who were a warrior-race.

Melkor's seeds were 'sown in the dark'. When Fëanor drew his sword against his half-brother, it was believed that he himself was the leader of discontent. But when he was brought before the thrones of the Valar, and answered all that was asked of him, it became apparent that Melkor's malice was at work again. Tulkas left the council to lay hands on him immediately, Melkor caught the soonest train out of Valinor and dropped off in a black valley of Avathar, and Feanor was banished from Tirion for a certain amount of time, with his father Finwë, sons, wife and a few others. By this token the lies of Morgoth were made true in seeming: that Fingolfin usurped the rulership of Tirion from the elder line.

The Elves suffered grieviously in their dark days about the lake of Cuiviénen. None the less, the Orcs had greatly declined by the time of the Great Journey, or rather; the servants of Melkor in general had been greatly reduced and had withdrew and the Orcs were in their beginnings. For the Valar had waged war against the Dark Enemy and had felled Utumno, on behalf of the Quendi.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Finwe was not bannished from Tirion. Finwe was upset with the bannishment of Feanor, and joined it, considering himself unkinged. Also, I don't recall Feanor's wife being involved in that either. I thought she had left him before the ban.

[Ñólendil]

I thought someone might say something like that. I was too vague. I meant only that Faenor was banned and some went with him (under no command of the Valar). I was sure about his father, sons and a few others, his wife Nerdanel I was not. You are probably right about her, though the 'leaving' him was only physical, it must be made clear. You and I both know that Elves were not accustomed to short relationships or divorces.

[afro-elf]

For the Valar had waged war against the Dark Enemy and had felled Utumno, on behalf of the Quendi.

who is utumno?

so even though all elves did not go on the great journey the valar kicked some bad guy butt to make ME a litte safer for them?

As it says in the Silmarillion, Avathar means “the Shadows” and is “the forsaken land on the coast of Aman south of the Bay of Eldamar, between the Pelóri (the mountains that protect Aman in it’s East coast ) and the sea, where Melkor met Ungoliant.”

do you think its possibe that the elves COULD have had some battle experience there?

i'm going back to school again this time for genetic engineering

I think I'll get a sample of the prof and rejuvenate him so we can have all of our questions answered

[Sister Golden Hair]

Utumno was Morgoth's first stronghold, built in the nortern regions of Middle-earth.

[afro-elf]

SGH

concerning finrod, i see where by confusion arose

you made a statement, something like " i don't wanna be his sister"

I took it to mean you did not like him

as opposed to " i don't wanna be his sister cos i wanna be his wife"

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by afro-elf
SGH

concerning finrod, i see where by confusion arose

you made a statement, something like " i don't wanna be his sister"

I took it to mean you did not like him

as opposed to " i don't wanna be his sister cos i wanna be his wife"

There ya go!!!!

[Bacchus]

Coming back to weapons...

As I recall, Feanor was the first to craft swords. He learned metalsmithing from (?)Mahtar(?), his father in law, who later regretted all that he had taught Feanor regarding the working of metals.

The whispered lies of Melkor convinced Feanor that he needed weapons to defend himself. Working in secret, he crafted fell swords for himself and his sons.

[Sister Golden Hair]

Originally posted by Bacchus
Coming back to weapons...

As I recall, Feanor was the first to craft swords. He learned metalsmithing from (?)Mahtar(?), his father in law, who later regretted all that he had taught Feanor regarding the working of metals.

The whispered lies of Melkor convinced Feanor that he needed weapons to defend himself. Working in secret, he crafted fell swords for himself and his sons.

Nice to see you Bacchus. Didn't Feanor and Co. stockpile these weapons in Formenos?

[Bacchus]

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Nice to see you Bacchus. Didn't Feanor and Co. stockpile these weapons in Formenos?

Hello, SGH, good to see you.

I do believe that you are correct regarding the stockpiling of weapons in Formenos. As I recall, Feanor was there for 12 years of the Trees--not an insignificant length of time.