10-01-2001, 02:46 PM | #1 |
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The Nazgul
the nazgul are a bit of an enigma a few questions:
did only the lord of the wraith have the black breath? or did they all? there were five on weathertop why didn't they just kill aragorn, all he had was a broken sword and two burnining sticks why didn't the black breath affect them there? it seems some could resist the fear of the wraiths or was it only the lord who had the fear affect? was it a matter of will? aragorn and eowyn seemed resist it hell aragorn (and boromir) were gonna go after the balrog when legolas and gimli were breaking for it for being the DREAD witch king he didn't seem to manifest as a badass until the seige return of the king the others didn't seem to be so terrible ( of course i'd not wanna meet any of them) was it khamul who was first at gol duldur (?) it would seem he would have been a major butt kicker
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10-01-2001, 03:15 PM | #2 | |
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One thing at a time please! I think I can answer why they didn't finish everyone off at Weathertop, though I don't pretend to be an expert on the black riders. They allowed themselves to be driven away after hurting Frodo because they thought that all they had to do was follow and be patient and Frodo would keel over on his own, like wolves trailing a sick deer. However the riders underestimated their prey giving Frodo a chance to escape in the end.
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10-01-2001, 03:36 PM | #3 |
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i can go for that answer sorry about the deluge of questions
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04-23-2002, 09:10 AM | #4 |
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Even more questions
Was only the Lord of the Nazgul "immune" to weapons what if glamdring would have struck him? and that hard to read prophecy "not by man" well that could mean not male or non human It say that the Nazgul were only a shadow of their terror with sauron and the one ring That means that during the second age they had to be REALLY terrible The witch king was about to fight gandalf the WHITE and sauron had not the ring. If sauron had the ring could the the witch king defeat the balrog?
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Eep! Too many question...brain stuck...
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04-23-2002, 10:40 AM | #6 |
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I think all of them had the fear effect, but the Witch-king's was strongest.
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04-23-2002, 06:41 PM | #7 |
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Yes, we all had the black breath and aura of fear although the Witch King (and I) was strongest...
The reason normal blades don't hurt us is because we are immaterial so they go straight through us. And the reason we fled is because the words that Frodo spoke drove us away. And we were MUCH more terrible when Sauron had the ring, although we would not have been able to defeat one of the Balrogs alone (they are Maia like Sauron)
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04-23-2002, 08:22 PM | #8 |
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Right! Not by man. It was the combination of a Hobbit and a human woman.
Their power is tied to Sauron's and grows with his. They couldn't even ride forth until he arrived from Mirkwood.
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To try to answer a few of your questions: It was Khamûl who was in charge at Dol Goldur. On Weathertop, even though there were only five, maybe they (and Sauron) weren't yet powerful enough to take on someone like Aragorn. Some people were strong enough and had enough mastery over themselves that they didn't let the Nazgûl get to them and put fear into their hearts.
And yes, I am a major butt kicker. (That wuss of a witch-king doesn't even have a proper name)
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04-24-2002, 12:54 PM | #11 |
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Of course the Withch King of Angmar was going to fight Gandalf
"I am Gandalf, Gandalf the White, but Black is stronger still"(LoRII103) The reall question is whether Gandalf counted as a "man" and so could he have theoretically have killed the Witch King? |
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Well, there is a difference between killing and defeating.
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Forgive me if I am redundant, I've only read the first post.
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The origins of the nine is intriguing, for only a couple are ever mentioned. Am I right in believing that the Witch king was of Numenorean descent?
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I think he was.
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08-03-2002, 02:58 AM | #16 |
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Yes. I believe somewhere it is written that three of the Nazgûl were Dúnedain. 'Course Khamûl was an Easterling.
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Right, I remember reading that somewhere too. There was quite a bit of Numenorean settlements down the coast of Harad, and the Corsairs of Umbar... quite iteresting the effect the 9 rings had on men.
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